[CoMoDev] Re: Two Interesting Links

  • From: David Beers <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Kevin Cawley <comodev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:28:41 -0700

Yeah, from what I hear from friends who've tried it, developing using Symbian's 
API is kinda nasty.  And that's coming from Palm developers! :D  Personally I 
don't think I'd probably bother with it unless I had a VM that was doing all 
the talking with the system.  No question: VS.NET is about as productive an 
environment you'll find for doing mobile development, short of using some 
high-level tool like Satellite Forms (or something like what I demoed last week 

I really have no idea if Symbian will stay on top of the hill (though going 
from 38% to 53% global market share in a single year in a market that size is 
pretty impressive).  But I agree 100% that the competition is all good for us, 
whatever the outcome.  Just gotta keep one eye on your code and the other on 
the horizon!


On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:02:21 -0700, Kevin Cawley wrote:
> Perhaps you are right in your assumption and Symbian will remain on
> top of the hill, and that is why I am going to start looking at
> SuperWaba.
> But, the only thing I can say from personal experience is that it
> is extremely easy to build rich smart phone applications using the
> .NET CF, especially if you are already developing Windows and Web
> apps in .NET. Based on my experience, the same isn't true for
> Symbian development (perhaps SuperWaba changes that).
> Given that, if there are lots of great applications available for
> the consumer, than the consumer will ultimately make the decision
> easy.
> Regardless of the outcome, the competition will only benefit the
> market and hopefully create opportunities for mobile application
> developers like us! It is all good.
> -kevin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: comodev-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:comodev-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Beers Sent: Monday,
> January 31, 2005 12:34 PM To: Kevin Cawley Subject: [CoMoDev] Re:
> Two Interesting Links
> I just an hour ago posted the link to the SuperWaba 5.0
> announcement.  I've got a Symbian phone (Nokia 6620) on order, so I
> should know soon how my SuperWaba apps run on that.  One thing is
> that I know I'll need to rewrite them for keypad input instead of
> stylus since the version of Symbian that phone runs is more like MS
> Smartphone: no touchscreen support.
> As for MS becoming the smart phone leader, I have to say it's quite
> possible they've finally met their match in Nokia, which basically
> is in the driver's seat of Symbian OS.  Microsoft simply doesn't
> have the lock on the smartphone hardware market that they got early
> on with the PC.  Nokia is top of heap in mobile hardware, and has
> absolutely no need for Microsoft to continue solidifying its
> dominant position with wireless carriers.  On the other hand, MS
> doesn't have to make much money on smart phones: they're just using
> Windows Mobile for Smartphone (WMS) as a way to drive indirect
> sales of their core server and productivity software.  In the
> business market that works the other way, too: companies that
> already have .NET in the server room are naturally going to
> gravitate toward WMS.  As for Palm... well, I'm worried about Palm,
> God love 'em.
> I'll tell you what I'm loving about the fact that my Java Palm and
> Pocket PC apps can now run on Nokia phones: I don't have to
> convince clients to deploy dozens of fragile and expensive Treo
> 650s or Motorola MPx200s.  Instead they can use phones that
> carriers like Cingular are giving away for free with a wireless
> subscription.  Hands down the number one obstacle I have seen in
> convincing companies to go mobile is the hardware cost.  When I
> think of mobile users in the business world I've learned not to
> thing less about guys in neatly pressed suits and jets, and more
> about sweaty guys in overalls and trucks.  That device is more
> likely to be clattering around in a toolbox or sliding off the
> passenger seat onto the floor than resting snugly in a briefcase or
> $200 leather holster.
> Don't get me wrong: I love .NET and I'm eager to hone my MS
> Smartphone skills, too.  But it's going to be *very* interesting to
> see how things shake out in this arena over the next couple of
> years while 3G networks (finally) start lighting up around the
> country.
> David
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:15:43 -0700, Kevin Cawley wrote:
>> On the other hand, maybe I should continue honing my MS Smart
>> Phone skills in anticipation of MS being the market leader a year
>> or two from now J
>> -kevin
>> From: Kevin Cawley [mailto:kcawley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent:
>> Monday, January 31, 2005 11:10 AM To: 'comodev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
>> Subject: Two Interesting Links
>> Hey All,
>> Here are two links that you might find interesting and
>> encouraging:
>> Global mobile device shipments hit new peak in Q4 2004 Voice-
>> centric   devices (smart phones/feature phones) up 101% Nokia
>> ships almost 5 million smart phones in the quarter, remains
>> leader and increases   share SuperWaba 5.0 Released  we are
>> releasing a starting support for the Symbian smartphones
>> platform. Most programs will now run on Symbian just by packaging
>> them with Exegan /sis option. It may finally be time to take
>> SuperWaba for a spin. I hope Davids experience with SuperWaba
>> has been positive; it sounds like it has. -kevin

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