I agree with joe on usmc, every day he seems to get a little more louder and abusive. Some of them deserve the abuse, but at least have some style like Lopharin does when you are abusing for a stupid question. What I dont want to see is #cisco undernet turned into #cisco efnet. If you continually abuse people they will leave and form another channel (where they can be the abusers)(irc is a vicious circle). Rupert