I could not agree with you more Mike! Thanks. Actually, a little heated discussion is just what this forum needs! It's a heck of a lot more interesting than playdate time changes (though that's important too!...don't get me wrong). It's been an interesting discussion...helps relieve the 'cabin fever'. Send me money. Tim Visit Cincinnati Stay at Home Dads at: www.cincinnatidads.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike & Kirsty Wertz To: cinci_dads@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: [cinci_dads] Re: Fwd: Fw: THE CLINTON YEARS I saw it coming and thought, "uh oh". We should probably stay away from the three evil subjects....sex, politics and religion.....well we can talk about sex. I would, however like to enter a couple of non-partisan remarks concerning some of the comments made. The Economy..... Economic highs and lows are naturally occurring cycles. Presidents don't cause the trends, they are merely the lucky or unlucky sap that has to sit in the Whitehouse and endure it, while doing all they can to teak it the best they can. Turns out the recession started in the end of the Clinton years but were not evident until Bush. Still not Bill's fault, or George's. Any economist will tell you it's true. Iraq: There is more than one way to skin a cat. Bush likes his way with Saddam, the same that Clinton liked his way when dealing with Milosevik (sp). The point is to get saddams ass out like we got Milosevik's ass out. There will be opposition to everything any president does.....NO MATTER WHAT. I am going to trust Bush to do it, the same that I trusted Clinton. They are the ones with the intel, they should know what is best for our interests. A president is not going to sacrifice all of us for his own power and glory....Democrat or Republican. the problem is that neither party likes it when the other is successful. I am sure Bush was able to get far using his fathers name, the same as just about every other politician out there. Look at the Kennedys. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Bobst To: cinci_dads@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 4:08 PM Subject: [cinci_dads] Re: Fwd: Fw: THE CLINTON YEARS Maybe if the Republicans in Congress during Clinton's administration weren't so caught up in Bill's sex life throughout his entire Presidency, they would have been able to find the time to ask some of the questions below. Oh well, I guess what color panties Monica was wearing was more important than any terrorist threats. There's a couple of items missing from the list under the title "Remember". "Remember" when the economy grew and deficits shrank; "remember" when stocks went up and not down; "remember" when crime in virtually ever large American city was on the decline rather than the rise. Well I hope so. Because with Bush in the White House a growing economy, federal surpluses, higher stock prices, and less crime are just that- memories! It almost makes me want to start humming "The Way We Were." By the way, didn't Bush go to Harvard Business School. If he's received a degree from one of the great Business schools in the world (albeit by getting in on his Dad's name rather than his own intelligence, but anyone with a high school education can now figure that out) why is he having such a difficult time "selling" Americans and other leaders around the world on the idea of war with Iraq. Maybe the University of Texas Law School admissions officers that rejected his application knew something that the Harvard Business School's admissions officers didn't- G-DUBB is a JACK-ASS! _________________________________________________________________________ - To post on the mailing list, simply send email to cinci_dads@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx - Users can unsubscribe from the list by sending email to cinci_dads-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. - Our webpage: http://www.cincinnatidads.com/ - Online, searchable archives of the list are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/cinci_dads Should you have any questions about anything, please feel free to email cincinnatidads@xxxxxxxxxxxx (Cinci Dads) or ctelling@xxxxxxx (mailing list problems)