Marc, I realized when some of us sat down and came up with this idea that it would be an up hill battle, on all fronts. Yes, I can see your point about employers. But...when something happens at your factory, it is that same employeer that will look at you for help. And why, because you are a firefighter. They will never ask what your training is or what certification level you are. They will just expect you to know what to do because you are a firefighter! Our whole point when we brougt this up was not to figure out a way to get more time off, it was to keep up on the overwhelming training that we a now required to do. Yes, I agree, if you want to be a part of something you have to make a commitment, but what about those thousands of people out there, thinking "I would like to help,I really would, but I can't get the time". We have an untapped resource of people that we as the emergency services need to reach out to or every small town department will be out of business in the next ten years. But as far as the training, let me give you an example of why we started looking at this. The state of Illinois is wanting to start requiring each county to have a hazmat team. While we all know that we were suppose to have this years ago, they are just now getting around to doing it. Back then, departments were able to do an Operations, Tech A, and Tech B class one night a week for a year and throw in a couple a Saturdays for hands-on. Now, with all of this rush, Ops, Tech A and Tech B can ONLY (per OSFM and IEMA) be taught either as a 5 day straight (daytime) class or two 3-day weekends. Recently our county put 15 guys through Ops. We asked about a night class, for those of us that work afternoons and weekends, and were told no. Afterwards, when asked who would be available on a Monday at 0900 if we had an incident, four hands were raised! The same four guys that asked about doing a night class. Of the 15 Ops, only one does not have a M-F 8-4 job. The same can be said for firefighting and other skills. As far as the comparison of nurses, doctors, and law clerks: nurses can get training through there facility during normal business hours (I know, I have helped teach some of those classes). And just how many doctors and law offices are open on the weekends and after 6pm. I think that there is a big difference. Now do you see why we think this is important Rod Stewart Taylor Springs Fire Department Taylor Springs IL 9-11-01:Never forget or fallen brother firefighters ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!