[cifnmedia] FW: [EM] FW: FW: ANHYDROUS AMMONIA ADDITIVE WILL TURN METH PINK ___UPDATE_____ MORE INFO
- From: "Randall W. Ruble" <randallruble@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Randall W. Ruble" <randallruble@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:13:28 -0500
Terry
"The product initially was developed in Southern Illinois, facilitated by
Researchers at Southern Illinois University Carbondale. It is
non-carcinogenic, non-toxic and environmentally friendly, according to
GloTell promotional literature. It is being marketed as an "anhydrous theft
deterrent."" Per the Southern article of 9-12-04.
As I said the refrigeration business has been using this technology for
around a decade now and I have heard of no personal problems with it, only
problems with equipment when over zealous repairmen have put too much into a
system.
Would we be poisoning the Pink Heads? NO, they are doing that their selves;
I always thought anhydrous was not for human consumption as well as the
other items that go into the Meth. Do you know how they make Meth? Have you
ever seen people who have been on Meth benders? This is made out of several
items that anyone of could kill you. People who have been on benders have
had the Meth start eating its way out through the skin and their teeth decay
and fall out, among other things. To quote Forrest "stupid is as stupid
does".
I know what you are talking about on liability. We in the emergency services
face it everyday. Just last month an insurance company sued a fire
department; because they felt the fire department could have done a better
job putting out a house fire [they had a mechanical failure of one of their
trucks I believe]. Read your tort law under public employees, volunteers,
etc. "willful and wanton neglect" is the only real reason we can be sued.
However, there is always one of those blood thirsty sharks out there who
will try and sue over anything for the all mighty dollar, right or wrong.
Also they are taking an illegal substance. I have seen some stupid law
suits, but never a drug dealer being sued for selling bad drugs. A few may
end up in the river, but not sued. Yes, we have to cover our butts at every
turn.
If this goes to legislation, it will be researched inside and out. They have
people who do this kind of research day in and day out. If there is a
problem, they will find it.
I hope I have answered your concerns. I'm not a lawyer, just a firefighter
trying to help look out for my fellow firefighters and other front line
people.
Also scroll down and read the full news paper story at the end of this post.
It has a lot of information that I haven't talked about.
Rwr
Randall W. Ruble
624 North Dutton
Pittsfield, IL 62363
217-370-1051
FAX 303-736-7079
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From: Terry Bruns [mailto:tbruns@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:06 AM
To: Emergency-Management@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [EM] FW: FW: ANHYDROUS AMMONIA ADDITIVE WILL TURN METH PINK
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Good work in doing the research, Randall.
One question. Has anyone tested the effects that this new product would have
on humans, from a toxicology standpoint? Would we in fact be poisoning the
meth heads? If that were the case, would there be liability to the state or
even the farmers, knowing that meth heads would indeed be ingesting (or
snorting) the substance. I know that it sounds absurd, but you cannot booby
trap your property with land mines and high voltage electricity to keep out
the burglars, without breaking the law in most jurisdictions and in some
jurisdictions, face a potential lawsuit from the burglar (yes it's sad but
true). I believe the risk management people from the legislatures will
probably want to have a look at this from a litigation standpoint. If it
does pass muster, then full speed ahead, but don't assume that because it
makes sense, the courts are going to agree.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: Randall W. Ruble [mailto:randallruble@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: September 16, 2004 9:58 PM
To: Randall W. Ruble
Subject: [EM] FW: FW: ANHYDROUS AMMONIA ADDITIVE WILL TURN METH PINK
___UPDATE_____ MORE INFO
MORE INFO
Since I sent this posting out I have had several emails and phone calls on
it.
I have heard from local legislatures, prosecutors and law officer as well as
fire and EMS personnel hailing the possibilities of this new product.
{Another great product made right here in Illinois.} This could have the
biggest impact on deterring Meth production and use yet. You could easily
tell a METH PINKIE from a non user. There would be no hiding from the light
[blacklight that is]. Imagine what a night club with black lights all over
would look like with all of the Pink Meth heads.
The possibility of the use of this becoming mandatory looks like it might be
a no brainier for next session. Our Governor has expressed his concern over
the Meth situation and has favored anti Meth legislation. This is such
minimal cost to add to the product and would not burden the farmers with a
high additional cost to them for the end product. The farmers out there are
also at risk, from their tanks being tampered with, connections being left
loose, filled containers being left behind, etc. Have you ever seen a
anhydrous hose break loose from the tank, it is not pretty.
Cost verses the benefits of this product have no comparison. Let your
legislatures know how you feel on making this mandatory usage.
I was questioned about this showing up under black light and needing
electricity for the light, so I checked things a little further. I'm a Union
Refrigeration Pipefitter by trade. The Refrigeration business has been using
Fluorescent Leak Detection for almost a decade now. This is where a
fluorescent dye is injected into the refrigeration system and a blacklight
is used to look for where this dye leaks out. I went to the Johnstone
catalog and found several detection products. They range from a complete
110volt kit with a case for appox. $430, to two different portable
rechargeable flashlight type detectors that ranged from appox. $185 to $282.
I then went to the local Johnstone Supply store here in Springfield to check
out other possibilities. In talking with store manager Mr. Tim Filbert he
had a new detector to show me. This was the best product yet. It is a small
flashlight type, about the size of a mini mag light with its own belt
holster. It uses the new LED bulb technology [five high output LEDs rated at
1000,000 hours and two AA batteries]. The best part, it only cost around
$70, this makes it pretty well in the price range for every department and
agency out there. Responders could carry this right with them to check out
any thing suspicious right on the spot.
So much for my thoughts. I did the leg work, now it is up to all of us to
push to get this into the end product for our own protection.
rwr
Randall W. Ruble
President
Twin Pike Mutual Aid Association
Secretary
Pittsfield Fire Department
State Certified FFII
624 North Dutton
Pittsfield, IL 62363
CELL 217-370-1051
FAX 303-736-7079
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I just received an update on this.
All you need to detect this is a normal black light. This can be purchased
as cheap as $10 to $30 at most local stores.
I have emailed my local legislatures that this would be great for us out
here on the front line to make it mandatory.
I received a response back from US Rep John Shimkus office that this product
came from their area and that they helped to get this project done.
The Meth problem worsens and places too many emergency personnel in the line
of danger [RE: walking into a scene of a possible Haz Mat contamination or
fire & explosion] when you think it is only a minor incident. We need all
the help we can get out here.
The small volunteer departments are at the greatest risk. These people who
make the Meth even have mobile labs set up in the trunks of their cars and
are moving from area to area to avoid detection as well using abandoned
barns and farm houses. In the rural areas we need to start considering
everything a worst case scenario when we approach even a car fire.
You need to exercise extreme caution picking up even an innocent looking
thermos or beverage cooler from the side of the road or at a scene. They are
transporting anhydrous in anything they can.
This is no different than pointing a loaded gun at a first responder. The
results are the same.
Be safe and be aware out there.
rwr
Randall W. Ruble
President
Twin Pike Mutual Aid Association
Secretary
Pittsfield Fire Department
State Certified FFII
624 North Dutton
Pittsfield, IL 62363
CELL 217-370-1051
FAX 303-736-7079
ANHYDROUS AMMONIA ADDITIVE WILL TURN METH PINK
BY ANDREA MARIE KAMPWERTH
THE SOUTHERN
[Sun Sep 12 2004]
SOUTHERN ILLINOIS -- Methamphetamine manufacturers may soon find themselves
in the pink or looking for a new way to manufacture the illicit drug.
On Wednes- day, GloTell hits the market. It's an additive that turns
anhydrous ammonia -- a key ingredient in meth manufact- ure of the "Nazi"
method -- a bright, glowing pink.
The GloTell product will be mass distributed by Royster Clark, which will
target the retail market. The additive will cost about $9 per ton of
anhydrous ammonia.
The product initially was developed in Southern Illinois, facilitated by
researchers at Southern Illinois University Carbondale. It is
non-carcinogenic, non-toxic and environmentally friendly, according to
GloTell promotional literature. It is being marketed as an "anhydrous theft
deterrent."
A side benefit is that the bright pink color, visible only when the
anhydrous hits the atmosphere, can also show when there is a leak in the
tank or hoses.
The pink color lasts through the meth making process, not only turning the
end product pink, but also staining the noses of those who snort it, and the
injection sites of those who shoot it. Additionally, the meth made with pink
anhydrous is said to be inferior to the meth made with untreated anhydrous.
"This is going to change meth production methods," said Tom McNamara, former
director of the Southern Illinois Enforcement Group and now its special
projects coordinator. "It will reduce the use of meth because it will be
harder to produce meth."
McNamara said he expects the theft of anhydrous used to make meth will
decrease. While there are other methods of making the drug, the anhydrous
method results in the most pure meth.
McNamara said anhydrous meth is up to 90 percent pure while meth made with
the red phosphorous method is only about 35 percent pure. In addition, it
takes about six hours to make meth with red phosphorous, compared to the two
hours needed for the anhydrous "Nazi" method.
"This is not going to stop the meth -- it's going to change it and make it
less available," McNamara said, noting the easy and cheap availability of
the drug is one of the factors that has caused its explosive spread in rural
areas, including Southern Illinois.
"I have seen the product used," he said. "It is not at all a natural color.
No meth user is going to want to glow pink."
According to the state police, the anhydrous method accounts for 95 percent
of meth production in Illinois, with the red phosphorous method making up
the other 5 percent.
Scott Mulford, a spokesman for the Illinois Attorney General's office, said
it is too early to tell how the GloTell additive may affect prosecution of
meth cases. It will partly depend, he said, on how much the product is used.
"I imagine that by a year from now, we will have a better sense of how
GloTell is impacting the serious problems and challenges associated with the
production and abuse of meth," he said.
Clarence Oldham, former owner of Oldham Bros. Fertilizer and Propane in
Shawneetown, said he has already used the product during its testing phases.
He said if he finds GloTell effective at keeping away anhydrous thieves,
he'll continue to use it.
Oldham said theft detection can be difficult because thieves stealing
anhydrous for making meth typically don't take a lot at any one time. In
fact, Oldham said he usually knows they were there because they leave their
hoses attached to the valves.
Oldham said he has reason to suspect that meth manufacture is actually
taking place on site. He said along with hoses attached to his tanks, he
often finds empty containers and glass bowls and jars.
"We put up a light to discourage them, and they've moved as close as they
can to the light, I guess so they can see better. I think if we shut off the
light, they wouldn't be able to see to make their meth right there," he
said.
Oldham said he estimates anhydrous thieves visit him between four and eight
times a month. One of his biggest concerns is what would happen if they left
the valves open and caused a serious anhydrous leak.
Tom Gibbs, the owner of Gibbs Fertilizer Corp. in Harrisburg, said he plans
to use the additive, especially if "everyone else does." He said he would
hate to become an easy mark by not using a deterrent that is widely
available.
andrea.kampwerth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 618-529-5454 x15076
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