I have spoken to a number of pilots in the UK Their feedback is that they enjoy the knockout format of F6D and would be disappointed if it is lost from the final of the competition. On the very rare conditions when a tie-break occurs it has been suggested that there might be even more exciting options to decide the winner. 1,2,3,4minute flight · It provides separation on turn-around · Requires more skill in thermal flying than 5x2 (no thermal is needed for a 2min flight in calm conditions.) OR Each flight must be > 10 seconds longer - ladder. Minimum 2-flights (if tied the pilot with the longest 1st flight wins) · Would require some very tactical thinking and flying.. too long on the first flight and you might make times difficult to beat later on in the slot. Pilots in the UK are not interested in automatic timing systems. They want a competition that is easy to run, exciting and where a clear winner can be identified. Finally, unless a world league qualifying format can be decided upon, that takes approx ½ hour to run (at the end of an F3K event), it is unlikely to gain popularity. Richard From: ciam-f6-wg-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ciam-f6-wg-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Guy Revel Sent: 23 August 2009 19:40 To: ciam-f6-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [CIAM-F6-Working_Group] Re: HTG final task options At 14:52 19/08/2009, you wrote: I think the idea of automatic timing is the way to go. We do not need to decide now on the technology to use. Could be that there will several ways to go and only one will be ok for us. That will altough depend, how the rules have to be rewritten. One competition class is enough for the moment. If it works, other classes will automaticly follow and modify the equipment to their needs. Personaly i think we should have minimum two independend groups working on the project to get different solutions. Hello Erny, Well said. The question is : who will take part - or know somebody able to take part - in a working group or a brain storming session to think at other possible ways to solve the problem ? Don't be shy, we need action. About rewriting rules, this is a very secondary problem. Once we have a working system, then only will it be possible to even know what changes may be necessary. So again : who wants to work on the problem ? Guy R.