[CIAM-F6-Working_Group] Re: AeroMusicals experience at World Games 2013
- From: Martin Müller <cap21@xxxxxx>
- To: ciam-f6-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:08:02 +0100
Hello Guy,
Okay I thought the whole scoring process was done by computer. Anyway; I
Totally understood the need of such a system too entertain the public as good
as possibly.
To avoid any problems of course it should be written in the rules.
Cheers,
Martin
Am 27.10.2013 um 22:18 schrieb Guy Revel:
> Hello Martin,
>
> I wish you all the best with your new endeavour.
> About the electronic scoring system. At WAG 2009 there was simply an
> electronic input system, simply inputting scores on a keyboard instead of on
> paper, not at all what I envision and which I will detail soon. In short, we
> should take opportunity of the smartphones and tablets everybody has to
> create a program working on that and we should, in my mind, in my mind, be
> much more innovative and realise that there is no necessity to award points
> according to a strictly defined scale, as with aerobatics, because with
> Artistic Flying we operate much more with impressions and subjectivity. I
> will go into details soon, at this time we must simply decide whether we
> agree that an electronic scoring system (any) be clearly allowed in the rules
> in view of WAG 2015.
> Further, such a system should be made of two independent parts :
> - an input system
> - a computing and display system.
> The reason is that FAI is working with an independent company (Swiss Timing)
> specialised with sports timing, computing and display systems. At events such
> as World Games, World Air Games, etc., they would take care of the actual
> computing and display as long as they get the raw scores to work on. I've
> seen that similar systems were used in Colombia during the World Games.
>
> But more soon. At this point we must only decide whether we allow it or not,
> then we will have nearly a full year to develop it.
> Regards,
>
> Guy R.
>
> Le 27/10/2013 14:33, Martin Müller a écrit :
>> Hello Guy,
>>
>>
>> I have to apologize there was not so much response from me last time.
>> Stephanie and I we just are building a new business. We help a company to
>> build up a international net with distributors .
>> Totally different story compare to what i have done until now. But I really
>> love this work because it is a very unique company and we can work
>> together;)
>> We want to have our main income with this thing a.s.a.p. so we have to focus
>> a little bit on that:). Because of this we won´t do to much in modelflying
>> the next 14 months!
>>
>> Anyway;
>> You still do a great job for our passion! Keep it up! I would like to
>> support you as much as I can.
>>
>> About your questions;
>> I agree in any points. Even I am a little confused. Did we not already had a
>> electronic scoring system at the 2009 WAG?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> Am 26.10.2013 um 21:35 schrieb Guy Revel:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> As some of you know, I led a small team of two AeroMusicals pilots at the
>>> World Games in Cali, Colombia, July 27-August 4. Pilots were Alan
>>> Goljevscek from Slovenia and Andres Leoni from Spain. A third (USA) pilot
>>> was to come, but failed to respond at the time of buying the flight
>>> tickets. If you don't know, the World Games are the second largest
>>> multi-sports event after the Olympic Games, featuring only non olympic
>>> sports. This year it meant approximately 4,200 competitors from 120
>>> countries, 31 official sports plus 5 invited sports.
>>> AeroMusicals was flown as a demo sport, sharing a hall with Jiu-Jitsu and
>>> Wushu/Kung fu. The aim was to provide a world-wide exposition to our sport
>>> (spectators and TV) and it was a great success with obvious spectators
>>> acclaim (about 3,000 spectators every day in the hall) and an incredible
>>> number of TV interviews, both live and recorded. The ultimate goal is to
>>> have AeroMusicals included in the list of World Games official sports,
>>> probably not in 2017 (the World Games take place every 4 years) but at the
>>> following one.
>>>
>>> What did I learn in Colombia, watching the AeroMusicals demos and a number
>>> of other sports ?
>>> - One thing for sure : a competitive sport is, for the participants, a
>>> genuine competition where the best should be the winner and, for the
>>> spectators, a proper entertainment in which the progress of the action is
>>> easy to follow and understand. If you think at many other sports, you will
>>> notice a common point : there is a running commentary which contributes to
>>> the interest build up. In other words, there should never be a moment of
>>> silence. In most model clubs there is at least one member who enjoys
>>> spending the day at the microphone during model shows, but this never
>>> happens at competitions where it would be much more profitable promoting
>>> aeromodelling as a sport.
>>>
>>> Now I have a question : Should a commentator be mentioned in the F6
>>> competition rules ?
>>>
>>> - Watching a number of competition sports based on scoring by judges, you
>>> will notice that for the most parts, if not every time, the scores are
>>> reduced to 10 (the ideal score) with two or three decimals. It makes it
>>> much easier for spectators to understand and follow the proceedings. For
>>> Artistic Aerobatics (F6A) and AeroMusicals (F6B) I propose to reduce the
>>> scores (at each round) to 10. That is, keeping the present scoring to 60
>>> points per judge, then dividing the total score by 18 (if 3 judges) or 30
>>> (if 5 judges) to obtain the actual displayed score.
>>>
>>> Do you agree with this proposal ?
>>>
>>> - Finally, scoring could be a little bit more elaborate, there should not
>>> be any difficulty nowadays to set up a proper scoring software. At
>>> competitions such as World Games or World Air Games, there is (or will be)
>>> an electronic system t-o compute and display the scores. So in my mind a
>>> proper system should be made of two parts (with the proper interface) : an
>>> electronic system to input the individual scores (a software running on
>>> smartphones or tablets should be ideal) and a computing system collecting
>>> the scores from each judge and displaying the computed results.
>>> In view of the World Air Games 2015 it appears necessary that an electronic
>>> scoring system be in place and operational. This means, at the very least,
>>> that such a system must be included in the rules, so a proposal is
>>> necessary to be voted upon at the next (April 11th & 12th, 2014) CIAM
>>> Plenary and the proposal sent before November 15th. We will leave until
>>> soon the actual definition of a suitable electronic scoring system. For
>>> now, we only need to have this possibility in the rules.
>>>
>>> Do you agree writing in the F6A & F6B rules that an electronic scoring
>>> system (to be approved by the F6 Working Group and, ultimately, by CIAM)
>>> may be used in place of writing the scores by hand ?
>>> Do you agree that, in such a case, fractions of points may be used ?
>>>
>>> This is "just in case" to let everything open until we define a proper
>>> electronic scoring system. This will be discussed in my next message.
>>> Please give me your opinion, answer clearly to the four questions and reply
>>> ASAP.
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Guy R.
>>>
>>> PS:
>>> Latest communication from FAI:
>>>
>>> 107th FAI General Conference
>>> The sessions of the 107th FAI General Conference were held in Royale Chulan
>>> Hotel in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, on 4 and 5 October 2013.
>>> IWGA The World Games 2013
>>> The World Games 2013 in Cali, Colombia, were a significant success for the
>>> FAI, as three sports featured at the programme (parachuting canopy
>>> piloting, paragliding accuracy and indoor aeromodelling as a demonstration
>>> sport). All tickets for the airsports events were sold out for all four
>>> competition days.
>>> FAI World Air Games
>>> Several options are being examined for the location of the 2015 FAI World
>>> Air Games, and discussions with potential host cities are still ongoing. A
>>> decision is expected to be made by the FAI Executive Board in December 2013.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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