Sounds like two different issues in play here - supply resilience (have a
home battery either connected to solar, or topping up cheaply at night for
backup) and also fire risk.
I think the burying the cables thing is going to be mind bendingly
expensive and a lot of hassle, liability and other unknown risks with no
resilience pay back. It is a preferred option from day one, but the fact
that homeowners themselves have to take on that risk and liability is
insane to me.
Its maybe worth a discussion with PG&E about what they are doing regarding
fire risk in the hills beyond the blunt instrument of just de-energizing
large parts of the grid. E.g. if they do have plans to bury cable in high
risk areas, or maybe they could subsidize it, or incentivize it or
something like that with construction or other credits.
For resilience, I recommend any of the plethora of home battery backup
systems out there.. As we saw recently, home fossil fuel burning generators
locally are not without their issues..
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:23 AM Joyce H <joyce.hemmer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Some of the cost MAY be recouped over time in homeowners insurance. This
area is hard to insure due to fear of fire. The last time I talked to a
broker, I was asked if the power lines were underground.
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On Jan 13, 2021, at 5:17 AM, Margret Einhorn <meinhorn@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From what I know, it takes a certain percentage of the street to consent.
There is the option to pay it off over time, so it is spread out over many
years. I may be way off, but I think it cost around $20,000 per household.
A friend of mine who just got his undergrounded said it took 20 years to
get it!!! I don't know if the waiting list is that long these days -- may
be shorter -- may be even longer.
The interesting thing about underground is that is does not mean that your
power never goes out. If something happens on the grid, your power goes out
anyway. Something happens a street away, you lose power -- like last
Friday. If something goes awry on the undergrounded street lines
themselves, they may have to go underground -- DIG -- to fix it. It takes a
long time to dig and fix something -- not like accessing a pole.
My friend bought a very fancy expensive generator because, undergrounded
powerlines and all, his power still goes out -- not as often, but still...
On 01/12/2021 4:27 PM Jennifer Engle <dmarc-noreply-outsider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Power is out again... ughhh!!! I brought this up about a decade ago and
interest wasn’t high at the time. We could pay “as a street” to have our
power lines placed under ground. I don’t know specifics anymore, however I
would research more if there was serious interest. Last time the purchase
amount, I think less than $10k, was spread out over 5-10 years for
individual homeowners. We could achieve two different things by placing
1. Less power outages due to fallen lines or weather. I believe we would
be connected from the Broadway terrace section.
2. Our street would be finally repaved since they would need to dig it up
to place the new power lines. Something the city of Oakland will most
likely never put into action.
Thoughts? Think of it as a two for one deal 😉!
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On Jan 12, 2021, at 4:12 PM, Carrie McKiernan <carriemckiernan@xxxxxxxxx>
Steve just called 911 and reported it. The fire department knew about it
already and is sending a crew to check it out. Looks like the power pole
near Florence and Mountain.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 4:07 PM Joyce H < joyce.hemmer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Mine blinked a bit and went out.
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