Pete, > * What is the word from the original "Calmira.Org" owner? There is none... Nobody knows what has ever happened to him :-( > Is Calmira.Org gone? Yes, for the time being. I sent a domain registrar change form to the address given in the nic/whois. There are 3 possibilities: either he will sign it and send it to my ISP, or he won't sign it, or I will receive my letter back as undeliverable. So, all we can do is just sit and wait (I like this song by Sidney Youngblood :)) In the case of possibility 2 or 3, we'll have to wait till the end of September (the date the registration expires, if it's not prolonged). I also tried to contact John Spyder (the calmira.org host), but he is also unreachable (spydermania.com is down). But I agree with you that we all should calm down a bit. Is it by chance that the word Calmira bears the word "calm" in it?? ;) And most of all we should give Erwin a chance to lean back to give 4.0 the finishing touches :) Bye, bye Gaby -- Hiroshima '45 - Tchernobyl '86 - Windows '95 -- To unsubscribe, send a message to ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe calmira_tips" in the body. OR visit //freelists.org