Glad to hear so many voices "from the wilderness" who still have interest in a Linux and/or FOSS "kill [cad] app". I believe it is truly only a matter of time I only wish I had some coding expertise. My contributions, for now, will have to be more on the interface, usability, and documentation fronts. I'd also like to dedicate time and energy to "winning hearts and minds" in favor of same. Thanks to all for the links and please keep them coming. I'll be in touch w/ phrostie -- actually we'll all be as he's a regular on this list -- to see what I can do toward updating cad-tastrafy. [Note: not to be confused with these wannabe's... wtf?] Anyway, thanks again and keep those cards & letters -- & links -- coming. Best, John K. john_kosty@xxxxxxxxx PS: I'm considering registering an irc chatroom on freenode for this subject. Sure, we can always keep going "bbs-style" but sometimes it's fun to just shoot the shi-ite with the user community a' la the various Blender and Linux rooms. Any interest? RSVP.