this evening i came accross a couple new projects(at least they were new to me). they are not very far along but i still wanted to pass the word along. http://gnu-cad.sourceforge.net/ (this is not gcad) http://powercad.sourceforge.net/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnu-cad-cam http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtkcad/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/lignumcad/ enjoy.