Fellow Architects: 2D production CAD = profitability No production CAD on linux = bondage to M$ IntelliCAD on wine = not ready for prime time VariCAD, QCAD, LinuxCAD, Cycas, etc. = nice try, no cigar (for architecture) Bentley halting Microstation on Linux = organized crime IMO (today), spatial visualization is best accomplished with SketchUp or a sign pen on trace. I do not want to be an electronic contractor who builds entire structures with electrons. Conceptual and schematic design are just what the terms imply. While doing a charette to an impossible deadline, the last thing I want to do is run a "report" on the parametric data base to generate a floor plan or section. My partner & I were trained on Tri-Forma at the firm we came from, they now have 6 idle licenses, a serious investment down the drain. We now share space with a firm that has 7 licenses of ADT sitting idle. Sure, they think that once they get it figured out, life will be wonderful. In their present state, these tools don't cut it. I think that if you really want to help our profession and your bottom line, jump in with Phrostie & me and let's get IntelliCAD running on linux and convince @Last Software (SketchUp) to port from mac OS-X to linux. Rob Davis, AIA Principal InsideOut Design Denver, CO Let it fly, I've got the Kelvar & Nomex on!