> did TomCad have 3D? No, TomCAD was built on a 3d kernel, but never provided 3d functionality = to the user.=20 Actually GraphiteOne is the same as TomCAD, I just renamed TomCAD because= there=20 are existing CAD companies already using TomCAD as their company/web/prod= uct name.=20 > i noticed on the graphiteone site that 3D was under development and wou= ld > be out 3rd qtr 2003. Yes, thats true. The current version of GraphiteOne implements a 2d draft= ing application, but with a 3d kernel. The main development target is to make use of this = and=20 add real 3d functionality. Bye, Thomas