> -----Original Message----- > From: Guy Edwards [mailto:guy_j_edwards@xxxxxxxxxx] >=20 > What about a hint? I'll have to do it the really long way=20 > otherwise..... Well, another fact could be that AutoDesk themselves seem to be moving away from DWG as the 'standard' format, and instead towards a common publishing format, 'DWF'. DWF is more like a PDF in that it doesn't matter what the underlying program was that made it, it will be able to be viewed by anyone. This, IMHO, is a good thing, for the DWG format is starting to become the tower of Babel. Due to all the add-ons, plug-ins, and third-party applications that run within AutoCAD, and add their own data to the DWG format (sometimes in strange ways) the DWG format is getting rather fragmented. Let me put it to you this way: we had a problem file that came in from a subcontractor that was crashing our systems here when the user was trying to work with it. When our CAD manager took the file apart and inspected it in detail it had extra data from EIGHT different third party systems, some of which dated back YEARS. It's almost viral, in that any of the drawing content that was edited, and sometimes even loaded, using one of these AutoCAD systems that had extra tools running was getting extra data added to it by said extra tool, which as then getting copied to people that weren't in turn running the same add-ons. So, this file that we got from a FURNITURE person had extra data in it from AutoDesk Map, Softdesk 8, Accurender, and more. Things that had nothing to do with furniture! It's gotten to the point where it's affecting AutoDesk systems; in that I can't open a file in my AutoCAD 2000 that was done with Architectural Desktop, an enhanced-AutoCAD, without special add-ons that I have to download, and I have to have the right one for the kind of drawing I'll be opening otherwise my system will crash out. So, even AutoDesk is starting to have some serous problems getting their various platforms to talk to each other, even thought they are all using DWG! So, personally, I think it's a good thing that AutoDesk may be moving away from DWG and toward a more 'published' solution, for I really like being able to use whatever system I want to but still be able to share and provide data to others. Only downside to DWF is that it's completely owned by AutoDesk, and they will most likely use that leverage in the future the same way they did with the DWG format to their advantage. Jeffrey McGrew