[bvipilots] Re: Around The World Flight 003
- From: Noel Romey <nromey@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bvipilots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 10:52:58 -0400
Ok, I was just concerned that there was some kind of aeronautical
reason for this. In doing this around the world flight, I wanted to
try to economize my fuel and fly quicker so was why I used the Mooney.
Just flew b58 to fort st. john, more about that in another funny
message, and except for operator error, all was well with that one.
Ultimately, I'm keeping track, by using acars data, how much in the
real world this flight would cost me, and the b58 burns more fuel, so
being cheap, I was going to try the Mooney. I'll use the b58 until
you advise.
Noel
On 9/4/13, Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> REGARDING: Is there a reason why you don't recommend the bravo but for a
> select few flights?
>
> Both the standard Mooney Bravo and the Beechcraft Baron 58 have basically
> the same range of about 900 nautical miles. There are some very long
> flights in the Fly Around The World adventure. I have provided
> documentation on how to install extended fuel tanks for the Baron; I have
> not done the same for the Bravo. So, in order to have either aircraft be
> acceptable, I will figure out how to install extended range tanks for the
> Bravo pursuant to the following Monroy Aerospace specifications:
>
> http://www.monroyaero.com/lrupgd.html
>
> Until such time as I have documented these modifications, I continue to
> recommend using the Baron 58 with extended range tanks detailed here.
>
> http://www.itsyourplane.com/ssl/data/2013-08-30.htm
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Noel Romey <nromey@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>>
>> Is there a reason why you don't recommend the bravo but for a select few
>> flights? Is it because of its decreased rate of climb? According to the
>> mfg, top speed is 240 ias and range with their extended fuel tank is at
>> least 900 miles. Curious for your thoughts? Perhaps the stats on the
>> Mooney
>> site are for a newer bird?
>>
>> Ner
>>
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2013, at 5:47 PM, Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Jordan,
>>
>> I strongly suggest that you avoid using the Bravo for the Fly Around The
>> World except for those few flights (e.g. Nepal, Peru, etc.) where
>> altitudes
>> of 15,000 plus are required. Even after saying that, the Baron 58 with
>> extended fuel tanks...
>>
>> http://www.itsyourplane.com/ssl/data/2013-08-30.htm
>>
>> will get to 17,000 feet, but will have a vertical rate of climb
>> diminishing to 100 feet per minute at the top of climb. This will cause
>> ATC
>> to be screaming, "Please expedite your climb to 17,000".
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Jordan Gallacher <
>> jordanandseptember@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> I am going to try again with the Bravo. I will report back once I have
>>> found a bit of time to get it done.
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bvipilots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> bvipilots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Noel Romey
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 6:25 AM
>>> To: bvipilots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bvipilots] Re: Around The World Flight 003
>>>
>>> Jordan,
>>>
>>> I've used both the beech baron and mooney bravo successfully. I think
>>> what
>>> you're actually doing is controlling the vertical rate of climb, you
>>> might
>>> be I should say. If you are setting it manually rather than letting
>>> Michelle control the climb, and you get up to 11000 feet, your aircraft
>>> will
>>> slow down, and stall. I have michelle climb and maintain unless I need
>>> to
>>> get up and out in a hurry. Flight 003 doesn't require this at all.
>>> Does
>>> this help?
>>>
>>> Noel
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/3/13, Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > The ceiling of the C340 is 29,800 in a pristine environment. I did a
>>> > test flight with the Carenado C340, where the top of climb altitude
>>> > was set to
>>> > 27,000 feet. The minimal climb out speed for the C340 is 108 Knots.
>>> >
>>> > You can review the Cockpit Voice Recorder Transcript (CVRT) file of
>>> > the test flight here:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.itsyourplane.com/20130902113333.htm
>>> >
>>> > You will see the vertical rate of climb being diminished as the
>>> > aircraft climbs. As it approaches 27,000 feet, the vertical rate of
>>> > climb drops to
>>> > 200 feet per minute.
>>> >
>>> > I hope this CVRT file will provide you with a better understanding of
>>> > how IYP conducts climb outs with General Aviation (AV Gas) aircraft.
>>> >
>>> > Please refer to the section entitled Airspeed Control on PAGE 66 of
>>> > the IYP Flight Deck Doc for an in-depth overview of this subject
>>> > matter.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Robert
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Jordan Gallacher <
>>> > jordanandseptember@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Robert,****
>>> >>
>>> >> I am using IYP Version 4.1.0.346/347 but will be updating to the one
>>> >> released today before my next flight.****
>>> >>
>>> >> I have gotten even worse results with the Beech Baron only being able
>>> >> to climb to around 10500ft before stalling with fuel calculations
>>> performed.
>>> >> I know it's doable which means I've an issue somewhere with how I am
>>> >> probably doing things.****
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,****
>>> >>
>>> >> Jordan****
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,****
>>> >>
>>> >> Jordan****
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> *From:* bvipilots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> >> bvipilots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Robert Cezar
>>> >> *Sent:* Monday, September 02, 2013 8:50 PM
>>> >> *To:* bvipilots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> *Subject:* [bvipilots] Re: Around The World Flight 003****
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> Please tell me what version of IYP you are running.****
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you.****
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Jordan Gallacher <
>>> >> jordanandseptember@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:****
>>> >>
>>> >> I never can get my aircraft above 11000ft without stalling. I do
>>> >> perform fuel calculations. I have tried the Mooney Bravo and the
>>> Cessna
>>> 340.
>>> >> Any
>>> >> suggestions?****
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,****
>>> >>
>>> >> Jordan****
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ****
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> ****
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
>>> >> AOPA Member No: 06936977****
>>> >>
>>> >> ** **
>>> >>
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