[bvipilots] Re: Around The World Flight 003
- From: Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: bvipilots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 06:27:11 -0700
Hello,
REGARDING: Is there a reason why you don't recommend the bravo but for a
select few flights?
Both the standard Mooney Bravo and the Beechcraft Baron 58 have basically
the same range of about 900 nautical miles. There are some very long
flights in the Fly Around The World adventure. I have provided
documentation on how to install extended fuel tanks for the Baron; I have
not done the same for the Bravo. So, in order to have either aircraft be
acceptable, I will figure out how to install extended range tanks for the
Bravo pursuant to the following Monroy Aerospace specifications:
http://www.monroyaero.com/lrupgd.html
Until such time as I have documented these modifications, I continue to
recommend using the Baron 58 with extended range tanks detailed here.
http://www.itsyourplane.com/ssl/data/2013-08-30.htm
Robert
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Noel Romey <nromey@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Robert,
>
> Is there a reason why you don't recommend the bravo but for a select few
> flights? Is it because of its decreased rate of climb? According to the
> mfg, top speed is 240 ias and range with their extended fuel tank is at
> least 900 miles. Curious for your thoughts? Perhaps the stats on the Mooney
> site are for a newer bird?
>
> Ner
>
>
> On Sep 3, 2013, at 5:47 PM, Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Jordan,
>
> I strongly suggest that you avoid using the Bravo for the Fly Around The
> World except for those few flights (e.g. Nepal, Peru, etc.) where altitudes
> of 15,000 plus are required. Even after saying that, the Baron 58 with
> extended fuel tanks...
>
> http://www.itsyourplane.com/ssl/data/2013-08-30.htm
>
> will get to 17,000 feet, but will have a vertical rate of climb
> diminishing to 100 feet per minute at the top of climb. This will cause ATC
> to be screaming, "Please expedite your climb to 17,000".
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Jordan Gallacher <
> jordanandseptember@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I am going to try again with the Bravo. I will report back once I have
>> found a bit of time to get it done.
>> Jordan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bvipilots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>> bvipilots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Noel Romey
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 6:25 AM
>> To: bvipilots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bvipilots] Re: Around The World Flight 003
>>
>> Jordan,
>>
>> I've used both the beech baron and mooney bravo successfully. I think
>> what
>> you're actually doing is controlling the vertical rate of climb, you might
>> be I should say. If you are setting it manually rather than letting
>> Michelle control the climb, and you get up to 11000 feet, your aircraft
>> will
>> slow down, and stall. I have michelle climb and maintain unless I need to
>> get up and out in a hurry. Flight 003 doesn't require this at all. Does
>> this help?
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>> On 9/3/13, Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > The ceiling of the C340 is 29,800 in a pristine environment. I did a
>> > test flight with the Carenado C340, where the top of climb altitude
>> > was set to
>> > 27,000 feet. The minimal climb out speed for the C340 is 108 Knots.
>> >
>> > You can review the Cockpit Voice Recorder Transcript (CVRT) file of
>> > the test flight here:
>> >
>> > http://www.itsyourplane.com/20130902113333.htm
>> >
>> > You will see the vertical rate of climb being diminished as the
>> > aircraft climbs. As it approaches 27,000 feet, the vertical rate of
>> > climb drops to
>> > 200 feet per minute.
>> >
>> > I hope this CVRT file will provide you with a better understanding of
>> > how IYP conducts climb outs with General Aviation (AV Gas) aircraft.
>> >
>> > Please refer to the section entitled Airspeed Control on PAGE 66 of
>> > the IYP Flight Deck Doc for an in-depth overview of this subject matter.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Robert
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Jordan Gallacher <
>> > jordanandseptember@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Robert,****
>> >>
>> >> I am using IYP Version 4.1.0.346/347 but will be updating to the one
>> >> released today before my next flight.****
>> >>
>> >> I have gotten even worse results with the Beech Baron only being able
>> >> to climb to around 10500ft before stalling with fuel calculations
>> performed.
>> >> I know it's doable which means I've an issue somewhere with how I am
>> >> probably doing things.****
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,****
>> >>
>> >> Jordan****
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,****
>> >>
>> >> Jordan****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> *From:* bvipilots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>> >> bvipilots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Robert Cezar
>> >> *Sent:* Monday, September 02, 2013 8:50 PM
>> >> *To:* bvipilots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> *Subject:* [bvipilots] Re: Around The World Flight 003****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Please tell me what version of IYP you are running.****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> Thank you.****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Jordan Gallacher <
>> >> jordanandseptember@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:****
>> >>
>> >> I never can get my aircraft above 11000ft without stalling. I do
>> >> perform fuel calculations. I have tried the Mooney Bravo and the
>> Cessna
>> 340.
>> >> Any
>> >> suggestions?****
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,****
>> >>
>> >> Jordan****
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ****
>> >>
>> >> ** **
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