[bsidesclt] Re: BSides planning

  • From: Jon Molesa <rjmolesa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bsidesclt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 22:08:16 -0400

Ah. I saw the pong first and assumed the ping was a correction to a bad network 
reference joke. Guess the joke is on me ;-) 

-- 
Jon Molesa
rjmolesa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


On Sunday, August 26, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Heather Pilkington wrote:

> No. It was a network reference. The list had been quiet, so I sent a "ping" 
> to see if anyone was alive.
> 
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Jon Molesa <rjmolesa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> (mailto:rjmolesa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)> wrote:
> > Those are some good ideas. Are you the same Ping of Social Engineering 
> > Podcast? I'm too lazy to look up names? 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jon Molesa
> > rjmolesa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:rjmolesa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> > 
> > 
> > On Sunday, August 26, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Heather Pilkington wrote:
> > 
> > > I am not suggesting the conference space is bad. I think it's good. But, 
> > > I have not been involved in any of the talk up to this point, and I don't 
> > > know whether other alternatives have been considered, or if the 
> > > conference space is the way you have decided to go.
> > > 
> > > Since it sounds like the conference space is not finalized (or might have 
> > > cost considerations), here are some other suggestions:
> > > 
> > > Victory Lane indoor Karting center 
> > > http://www.eventective.com/USA/North+Carolina/Charlotte/49368/Victory-Lane-Indoor-Karting-Center.html
> > > 
> > > Carowinds (they have some meeting areas - unsure about cost)
> > > 
> > > There are multiple bars and restaurants that I can think of which would 
> > > have space - you would have to provide your own audio/visual though, and 
> > > you would want to get the day rates rather than the evening rates.
> > > 
> > > You could rent a sizeable camp site for the speedway and do an outdoor 
> > > event (would have to aim for scheduling for weather - but you could get 
> > > outdoor awnings, etc) http://www.charlottemotorspeedway.com/camping/ They 
> > > also have tours of the speedway if people are interested in that sort of 
> > > thing, plus a NASCAR hall of fame tour.
> > > 
> > > You could see if the hacker space would let you have the meeting there. 
> > > 
> > > ... 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Chris Teodorski 
> > > <chris.teodorski@xxxxxxxxx (mailto:chris.teodorski@xxxxxxxxx)> wrote:
> > > > I don't know what is "uniquely" Charlotte either -- I was hoping some
> > > > of the long time residents could help me with that -- racing is really
> > > > the only theme that seems to really run throughout the city.  But like
> > > > I said, having a workable venue trumps any desires I have for a
> > > > "unique" venue.
> > > > 
> > > > Chris
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Chris,
> > > > >
> > > > > The company I work for is okay with BSides use of our meeting rooms 
> > > > > and
> > > > > guest areas. I contacted our landlord about their auditorium. They 
> > > > > have
> > > > > leased out the current one and construction, as well as pricing, 
> > > > > won't be
> > > > > available November. I'm not real sure what is uniquely Charlotte. I 
> > > > > haven't
> > > > > been here long enough to know. I will ask some of my colleagues what 
> > > > > they
> > > > > think would qualify. My company is willing to sponsor as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://knowclassic.com
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jon Molesa
> > > > > rjmolesa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:rjmolesa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sunday, August 26, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Chris Teodorski wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Pong.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's been quiet although Jon and I did a bit of discussing after
> > > > > Hackers on a Boat.
> > > > >
> > > > > He offered to investigate his office space as a location. It doesn't
> > > > > fit in with my desire to have a uniquely "charlotte" venue, it does
> > > > > however fit in with my realization that without a venue we can't go
> > > > > much further. My understanding is that it's IBM's old campus,
> > > > > somewhere in the north part of Charlotte.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I sent an email to Zack Mayo to ask him if he would mind
> > > > > discussing the posibillity of the Charlotte ISSA supporting the
> > > > > effort, either financially or advertising to their membership, etc. I
> > > > > have not heard from him....
> > > > >
> > > > > That's my update....its slow going.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Heather Pilkington
> > > > > <h.pilkington@xxxxxxxxx (mailto:h.pilkington@xxxxxxxxx)> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ping
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Chris Teodorski
> > > > > <chris.teodorski@xxxxxxxxx (mailto:chris.teodorski@xxxxxxxxx)> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Heather,
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Righ
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Shmoo I assume will be that least weekend of Jan (25-27), so
> > > > > potentially.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. I didn't get here till Feb, and coming from PA -- I wouldn't call
> > > > > it winter, but I'll let the locals with more experience than me answer
> > > > > that one.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. I assume the majority of the audience will be CLT locals, with a
> > > > > few dedicated folks being willing to travel. That seems to be the
> > > > > case with most local Bsides events.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. When we did BsidesPGH, we really struggled with the anchor speaker
> > > > > from out of town vs local talent. I can argue both sides of that.
> > > > > Last year Dave Kennedy spoke and Chris Nickerson was at the event
> > > > > (coincidentally he was doing a pentest in Pittsburgh that week), but
> > > > > he was as low key as he can be -- he was just an attendee.
> > > > >
> > > > > 6. Honestly I don't have a sense of that -- we managed to pack 120ish
> > > > > people into BsidesPGH. I assume we can do similar here. How many
> > > > > folks show up for ISSA events? In Pittsburgh ISSA was a huge part of
> > > > > our sponsorship and how we got word of the event out to the community.
> > > > >
> > > > > 7. Again, BSidesPGH, we had 2 rooms -- the speaker and the chill out
> > > > > area (which was outside). What they found to be very successful at
> > > > > BSidesPGH was to allow long social breaks between speakers -- they
> > > > > found that with the time -- people actually talked to one another. I
> > > > > know at least one person landed a job out of connections made there
> > > > > this year.
> > > > >
> > > > > So basically, my feeling is this -- we decide on the type of venue
> > > > > (local flair, brew pub, teepee, men's restroom) we want and then we
> > > > > start looking to see what is available.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Hpilking <h.pilkington@xxxxxxxxx 
> > > > > (mailto:h.pilkington@xxxxxxxxx)> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Bsides Chicago was also in a bar, fwiw, the bar scene is popular. What
> > > > > reasons can you think of that a bar wouldn't be preferable because 
> > > > > it's a
> > > > > bar?
> > > > >
> > > > > But, is pursuit of local flavor putting the cart before the horse?
> > > > > Shouldn't we have some way of screening the venues before deciding?
> > > > >
> > > > > Questions I had (and I know not all of these have answers, 
> > > > > necessarily,
> > > > > but some definitely impact venue)
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) You don't want to schedule this in parallel with another event to
> > > > > boost attendance, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) Is Shmoocon a conflict with this date range?
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) Is weather a concern? (availability of venue, accessibility of 
> > > > > venue)
> > > > > - I didn't make it through a winter in CLT so I don't know what to 
> > > > > expect.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) Who is the target audience? CLT locals, NC/SC regionals only, or
> > > > > other? How will you reach them?
> > > > >
> > > > > 5) Is the timing/locale attractive to that target? What is going to 
> > > > > make
> > > > > people want to come? What about having a couple of anchor 
> > > > > speakers/trainers
> > > > > (if you want to go that route) first?
> > > > >
> > > > > 6) How many people do you plan on having (venue sizing)
> > > > >
> > > > > 7) How many rooms do you need? (Bsides Chicago had one room with a
> > > > > downstairs bar and an outside patio. They split their room into four 
> > > > > spaces
> > > > > using scrims. One room was for staff/speakers, one for chill 
> > > > > out/lockpick
> > > > > village, one for the main track, and one for classes. It was freezing
> > > > > outside and sucked completely to stand out there. But, it was so loud
> > > > > inside, it was nearly impossible to have a conversation. There was so 
> > > > > much
> > > > > sound bleed from the speaking track and the teaching track that 
> > > > > dueling
> > > > > microphones happened. The venue had stationary speakers that couldn't 
> > > > > be
> > > > > moved to fix it. Thotcon and BsidesLV also had this problem. Except 
> > > > > they had
> > > > > multiple rooms. But you had to walk through the main speaker track to 
> > > > > get to
> > > > > any of the other rooms, and it was large enough that people stopped 
> > > > > to talk,
> > > > > drowning out the speakers.) I would recommend there be room for 
> > > > > people to
> > > > > socialize separately from people who want to present, GSO was a small
> > > > > Bsides, but it was less social than some other events b/c people were 
> > > > > mostly
> > > > > politely quiet during presos (it was also hard to hear and impossible 
> > > > > to see
> > > > > from the back of the room).
> > > > >
> > > > > 8) What kinds of accommodations can they provide? Do they have 
> > > > > screens,
> > > > > speakers, mics, power, wireless...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

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