[bristol-birds] Re: Kirtland's Warbler
- From: "Jack Litz" <wjlitz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bristol-birds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:06:30 -0400
Let's go through it one more time in summary.
Issue No. 1
The issue is whether interfering with a bird's normal behavior at critical
times is ethical. It has been proposed that breeding season is one such
time and playing bird calls or making bird calls (including Pishing and
Squeeking) can cause such interference. In regard to the Kirtland's
Warbler, it has been established that the bird is not in its breeding
habitat - no problem - wonderful birding - thanks for the report.
I have no problem with making a sound to get a bird to look up or jump from
the ground to a fence rail at any time - the bird is just curious. That is
different from luring the bird, at breeding time, to an area with the
expectation and appropriate hormonal response of a meeting a mate, an
intruder, or a predatory threat - a significant interference.
I have said that I believe bird recordings, etc. do have a valid place in
birding, but that some guidelines need to be estabished as to when their use
is not in the interest of the bird. I think that breeding season should be
high on the list.
I also believe that if one is qualified to identify birds by call, then
sight is not necessary to establish useful ornithological data. It is
clearly more satisfying to see the bird.
As mentioned in a previous note, Cornell University has a renowned program
of recording bird calls and other ornithological research. I asked them for
their thoughts on use of recorded calls in general birding and what their
research guidelines are. Researchers sometimes set out to provoke responses
in the bird which may not be appropriate or legal for the general birder to
do. Cornell often takes a while to respond but if they provide anything
useful I will pass it along.
Issue No. 2
What is lacking is a good way to capture and make use of all the
ornithological data collected. The inability to put the data to use causes
most observations to be only of personal (but intense) interest to the
birder and of passing interest to others. It also makes it harder to
justify taking the bird away from critical activities, such as breeding, to
convert a bird call identification into a visual identification. The
inability to organize and use the large amount of very good data obtained at
great effort may not qualify as a tragedy but it is a great concern and
somehow represents an opportunity for someone with the vision and computer
expertise.
Jack Litz
----- Original Message -----
From: <sawwhet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bristol-birds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 4:45 PM
Subject: [bristol-birds] Re: Kirtland's Warbler
> One thing that I am not understanding in this discussion if the difference
between playing a bird tape and "pishing and squeaking". Both are used to
draw a bird into the open so it can be seen. I do understand that playing a
bird tape can cause a bird to display aggressive behavior but I also feel
that "pishing", squeaking, and owl vocalizations cause the same response as
a bird tape. Birders have used the above techniques for years to get
"looks" at birds. I was taught in an ornithology class that pishing,
squeaking, and owl vocalizations were proper birding techniques. I recall a
quote that "birders pish their lives away".
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> On Fri, 10 May 2002 15:54:45 -0400 Jack Litz <wjlitz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Visual identification is nice but a bird's call can and, in this case, has
> been used for idenfication and establishment of the time, place, habitat,
> and other orthinological parameters. What good are behaviorial
observations
> manipulated by the observer, outside of a research context? The
information
> is potentially scientifically useful only if dissiminated and incorporated
> into a credible and accessable database of some kind. Where will this
data
> ultimately reside, interesting though it may briefly be, other than in a
> personal bird list and a lot of "deleted" e-mail folders?
>
> Sorry to appear argumentative but the issue did come up. I believe it
> better to sit back, watch and listen, and let the birds do their thing
> without interference. Sometimes you see them and sometimes you only hear
> them. Those are the breaks of birding.
>
> I won't be drawn into any arguments about feeders and "baiting".
>
> Jack Litz
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sawwhet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bristol-birds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:36 PM
> Subject: [bristol-birds] Re: Kirtland's Warbler
>
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> > I also agree that most general birding does not qualify as research.
But
> in the field of ornithology and especially considering such a rare species
> any sightings, records, behavior observations...etc. qualifies as valuable
> scientific information.
> >
> > Greg Harris
> > Environmental Specialist
> > Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation
> > Nashville, Tennessee
> >
> > On Fri, 10 May 2002 14:15:16 -0400 Jack Litz <wjlitz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Most general birding hardly qualifies as research. I tend to favor
> leaving
> > the birds alone unless you "pish and squeek" to get a bird just to stick
> its
> > head up for an instant. I have asked Cornell to provide their take on
use
> > of recorded calls for general birding and also for their research
> > guidelines. .
> >
> > Jack Litz
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <sawwhet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bristol-birds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:05 PM
> > Subject: [bristol-birds] Re: Kirtland's Warbler
> >
> >
> > >
> > > But on the other hand in the case of a Kirkland's warbler, it seems to
> me
> > we want to have a definite confirmation of its identity and detailed
> > information on its location and the duration of its stay. Since there
was
> > no "sighting" maybe the gentleman's playing the recorded call was
> > appropriate to get a visual confirmation. Would "pishing and squeaking"
> > also cause the same distress to the birds?
> > >
> > > Greg Harris
> > > Environmental Specialist
> > > Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation
> > > Nashville, Tennessee
> > > On Fri, 10 May 2002 13:56:51 -0400 Jack Litz <wjlitz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I tend to agree with Marion. Small migratory birds have enough to do
> > > without having to expend energy and time on potential mates or
> territorial
> > > threats that arn't there. Predator calls can also be disruptive.
When
> > > playing or making bird calls interrupts important activities, stresses
> the
> > > birds, or causes them to misallocate critical energy reserves, it
could
> > > come under the catagory of "harassing wildlife" which is against the
law
> > > some places.
> > >
> > > Seems like playing or making bird calls should have a legitimate place
> in
> > > birding though. Has anyone seen any guidelines on this? I'll check
> with
> > > the folks at Cornell to see if they have come to grips with this
issue.
> > No
> > > artificial bird calls during breeding season seems like a good start.
> > >
> > > Jack Litz
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Marion Finucane" <marion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <bristol-birds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:31 PM
> > > Subject: [bristol-birds] Re: Kirtland's Warbler
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Is it ethical to play recordings of bird songs particularly during
> > > breeding
> > > > season?
> > > > My father frowned upon this practice. He preferred listening to
> > > > interferring.
> > > >
> > > > Marion Finucane
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: bristol-birds-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:bristol-birds-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Richard
Peake
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:17 AM
> > > > To: bristol-birds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [bristol-birds] Kirtland's Warbler
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To anyone interested:
> > > > I tried to find the Kirtland's Warbler again between 9:30 and
> 10:30.
> > It
> > > > did not sing again despite my playing many Kirtland's songs. I'll
try
> > > again
> > > > tomorrow.
> > > > Dick Peake
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