----- Original Message ----- From: Dexter Newman To: jwcoffey@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: February 13, 2013 10:02 Subject: RE: [Bristol-Birds] we did not contact speedway about ravens This could start something like The Tower of London. Quote from Wikipedia, "The ravens of the Tower of London are a group of captive Common Ravens which live in the Tower of London. The group of ravens at the Tower comprises at least seven individuals (six required, with a seventh in reserve). The presence of the ravens is traditionally believed to protect the Crown and the Tower; a superstition holds that "If the Tower of London ravens are lost or fly away, the Crown will fall and Britain with it."[ Also, Lynda an I went to see the Harlequin duck Sunday and on our way down Riverport Road saw a Bald Eagle bathing in the water. Could not get a camera on it before it flew. Did get shots in the trees later. Dexter Newman JC From: bristol-birds-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bristol-birds-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wallace Coffey Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:32 PM To: Bristol-birds Subject: [Bristol-Birds] we did not contact speedway about ravens We did not talk with officials from the Bristol Motor Speedway about the pair of Common Ravens with their nest under the grandstands. Some of us talked about that and decided the ravens needed an opportunity to live this drama on their own. We had found that leaving a precarious and fragile situation alone for the South Fork Holston River Bald Eagle pair was the best thing we did. Not only did the eagles make it thru last nesting season with every peril you could imagine lingering just yards from their nest, they were successful fledging and raising young. They are using the nest again and now on eggs. The only thing we did last year was to not increase road traffic and birders going to the nest because it seemed so very approachable. That probably made no difference for the eagles but it may have made a difference to neighbors living on an extremely narrow street that two cars can hardly pass on without one driving in the grass. It was obvious that man was not encroaching on the eagles and they are not encroaching on the ravens. Both eagles and ravens chose these uncertain locations to nest. We never told the landowner that the eagles were nesting on their property. We later learned they knew and knew we were watching. Official at Bristol Motor Speedway may be compelled to take some type of action and we can't imagine what they could do that would benefit the ravens. It is possible neither our birders nor the ravens might be satisfied with anything that were to take place. We've looked at the location and most of us believe the ravens will need to tolerate a significant amount of disturbance they obviously do not know is ahead. If they survive three days of racing and hatch eggs, fledge and raise young, they will probably be good to nest there another year. It is possible all of this will happen and Bristol Motor Speedway officials will never know the ravens are there. Don't bet on it. News headlines and TV newsrooms turning this into a feature story that becomes a controversy is always a possibility. Neither birders no ravens can avoid whatever happens. Wallace Coffey Bristol, TN