[brandon's list] Re: Heavy Rain: What we can and can't do
- From: Michael Breedlove <stirlock@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 10:04:13 -0800
Man. This is getting gamefaqs level of debate here. :d
On 3/7/10, Yohandy <yohandy85@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> lol and you're not attacking people huh? ----- reread that last email you
> sent. you know, I'm done with this stupid arguement. think whatever you wish
> to think. You're obviously doing that anyway and are basically disregarding
> everything I've said in the last few emails. You'll keep this arguement
> going till you have the last word on it. I'm unsubscribing from this
> list. I've better things to do with my time than deal with this crap. game
> on everyone!
>
>
>
> Original Message -----
> From: misty@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:14 AM
> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: Heavy Rain: What we can and can't do
>
>
>
> How in the hell have i been accusatory? Go re-read your emails and get
> over yourself yohandy. I'm done with this discussion because it's clear you
> cannot have a discussion without attacking people. Your tone was
> discouraging to any blind gamer and you specifically said that people
> wouldn't be able to get beyond the mall part. You're contradicting yourself
> now and trying to make me look like something I'm not just because I
> challenge the general thinking of blind gamers. Do you not want
> freethinking people like me designing games for you guys? Who thinks about
> what you can or cannot do and pushes you a little to do things that ARE
> possible if you journey outside the box? You find a person who actually
> considers what you guys can or cannot do and don't say for one minute
> there's no way in hell I can do that. I live with Brandon, I've been around
> blind people since I was 15 years old. You wanna go ahead and attack me for
> trying to help people to tell them not to listen to your drivel when you
> yourself have not put up any facts and still have not put up any facts to
> tell anyone how this game is playable only examples of where you think it
> isn't. You've brought nothing to the table but negativity. Thus proving my
> point. Now enjoy yourself and have a good day. I'm gonna go back to
> working on my new site for my online wrestling federation that is accessible
> to the blind.
>
> What Brandon says holds true here. I was trying to help and I will not
> pay attention to someone who throws bullshit insults at me instead of giving
> me and everyone else on this list facts. I've given examples and I've given
> examples of my own struggles as a sighted gamer to show it's not a cup of
> tea gaming for us either. You made this an unnecessary arguement by saying
> I was proving your point when I wasn't at all. Your stance from the get go
> has been buyer beware just as Mike said in an earlier email. I don't
> believe in buyer beware in a game that's failproof and you're trying to make
> it look like I'm wrong for it. So really who looks stupid here? Me or you?
> Bring me facts about how I'm missguided yohandy regarding the topic of
> discussion HEAVY RAIN. Don't go babbling to me about mario or any other
> game you've played. If you think I'm arrogant then you don't really know
> me. If I'm arrogant for supporting brandon's reasoning behind this site and
> wanting to push for blind gaming to be creative and for people to really put
> forth effort and not just play it a handfull of times and then deem it not
> playable then fine I'm arrogant and I'll take that title proudly. The
> people who know me on this list know better.
>
> I'm leaving it at that. There's nothing more to say but just so people
> get clearly what my point was amongst all this stupid argueing caused by
> you. I'll once again say that heavy rain is playable and I believe that
> whole heartedly but only if you're a determined gamer. You want a cakewalk?
> Find it elsewhere.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: Heavy Rain: What we can and can't do
> From: "Yohandy" <yohandy85@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sun, March 07, 2010 9:28 am
> To: <brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> honestly where on earth are you getting all this from? How many times do
> I need to explain to you I never said the game wasn't playable? Oh and to
> clear some things up, I never told Brandon my sister beat anything, I said
> we were both playing. as in, taking turns throughout the story. Brandon also
> told me you two were playing together as well. Isn't that true? you say I
> told people not to buy this game? Uh... when? I don't recall saying anything
> that could be interpreted as "don't buy this game guys, it's not playable".
> I clearly stated the game would be tough for the average blind gamer to get
> through, not impossible. I'm not new to gaming guys. I still own an original
> snes, and I frequently play games like Super Mario 3 and donkey kong. I
> never actually beat SMB3, but I was pretty competent for many of the levels.
> If I haven't given up on such old games, what makes you think I'd give up on
> heavy rain simply because it's tough? Brandon, your input is appreciated.
> you managed to come off non-accusatory, unlike Misty. either you took some
> time to think it through and write the email, or you're just good at not
> sounding that way. I certainly understand where you're coming from in
> regards to your gaming methods. I always use totally bizarre strategies
> similar to the one you mentioned to get through games, and I always do
> things like time the CPU and take advantage of its weakness. AI's usually
> follow patterns in games ----- that could easily be exploited if one pays
> attention. Super Mario world is a game everyone here should be familiar with
> so I'll discuss that. one thing I usually did which would probably be
> frowned upon by most sighted gamers was with yoshi, I'd usually run full
> speed and run into enemies. they'd take him away but since I was going full
> speed, I'd get him back with in a second or so. once the placement of pits
> was memorized, many levels became a lot easier using this strategy,
> especially if the level contained many enemies to make my job easier.
> banging my head into solid objects was also a strategy of mine that helped a
> lot, especially in water levels, although it probably gave mario many
> headaches hehe. in comparroson to all that guesswork, heavy rain is a piece
> of cake. Misty, did you ever stop to consider this whole thing probably came
> about due to email miscomunication? instead of asking if this was so, you
> started off this whole unnecessary arguement.
>
> Original Message -----
> From: misty@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:53 AM
> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: Heavy Rain: What we can and can't do
>
>
> Assumption - According to dictionary.com - The act of taking for
> granted or supposing.
>
> Now tell me what am I supposing? I just outright told you that I'm
> going off what you've said. I know you through Jesse Yohandy, you speak to
> my own fiance quite frequently and you act like I'm some stranger off the
> street who is new to this list. You're never gonna meet me either. What
> does that have to do with anything? I didn't say you're happy or not about
> heavy rain I said you're complaining. Which you are and you're trying to
> turn others off to it and covering it up with well if people don't think
> it's playable I don't want the backlash. Um Yohandy, the majority of what I
> said about the blind gamer mindset was a generalization one I feel you're a
> part of but don't think I was just singling you out. In fact I said I
> wasn't singling you out. So ya know what until you read my emails without
> getting all upset and typing first you're making yourself look silly. I
> started this little chat with you earlier in the evening.. What the hell
> would I have to do at 9pm? I'm so sorry that your life is so delluded that
> you think that you can try to attack me with my saying I have a busy
> schedule so I can't help out with a FAQ for heavy rain just because you know
> you don't have a leg to stand on here. I'm sorry that you felt the need to
> blab on about your accomplishments to try to prove to me you're a gamer.
> I'm so sorry that you lack the self confidence in yourself that you can't
> even have a conversation with someone that you can't even see the other side
> of it you just have to defend yourself when really there's no defense at
> all. You told people to not buy this game. You told them that it is not
> playable and Brandon told me that you had your sister play it for you. So
> there ya go that's where I got my info. Heavy Rain is FAILPROOF! You cannot
> be stuck in this game. All you have to do is wander around. If you fuck it
> up you still get to the end. All of these things blind gamers are familiar
> with and here you are not even thinking about that. Just because you say my
> assumptions are random doesn't mean it's true. You have not come back with
> one perfect example as to why this game is not playable and ya know what,
> you won't either. I believe the crime scene is even perfectly playable
> because when you put the glasses on you see through the glasses it's no
> longer a third person view it becomes a first person and you scan everything
> in your sight because you're wearing the glasses. It's just a matter of
> wandering around and finding stuff which I would think considering the way
> blind people game they should be used to. Brandon did scan something in
> that crime scene he found one of the items that wasn't relevant to the case
> but he did find it. Brandon just said himself no one else that has played
> that game seems to realize how much environmental audio there is in that
> game and how much it can help you. So stop attacking me personally and
> start giving me some facts. Everything I've said is relevant. The gaming
> mindset of the blind is seriously an issue here. There are people willing
> to give this a serious go and you who have clearly not tried are trying to
> stop them, detur them, supposedly warn them. It's unfounded..you're the one
> assuming the game isn't playable.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: Heavy Rain: What we can and can't do
> From: "Yohandy" <yohandy85@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sun, March 07, 2010 12:30 am
> To: <brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> and you continue with your assumptions. you keep saying I think this
> and I think that. I don't think anything! you're the one assuming all this
> stuff from a random internet stranger you will never meet. how would you
> know if I'm letting people beat the games for me? you came over to my house
> and checked that out? I don't think so! you say I'm not happy about heavy
> rain? wrong again. I really could care less what you think my gaming
> accomplishments are, I know what I've done and haven't done. I won't even
> bother discussing it here though. in fact I don't even know why I bother
> writing this email. you strike me as one of these people that are stubborn
> to the last, and will do anything to try and prove their point, even if
> their point is completely off. Your random assumptions aren't helping at
> all, they're just making me quite annoyed. Let's see... you're gonna take
> some time off your extremely busy schedule to reply with more accusations?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: misty@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:19 PM
> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: Heavy Rain: What we can and can't do
>
>
> You're discouraging people and your last email was basically
> telling people outright not to try. You may not have said "Don't try this."
> but you might as well have. You think it's a piece of cake gaming for us
> sighted people? It's not and that's the whole point of gaming because if it
> was easy we wouldn't do it and that's that simple. There are games I've set
> asside because I've tried several times and have been unable to defeat a
> certain part of that game. Does that mean I'm not gonna go back? No. It
> means I'm taking a break. I have yet to beat Professor Quirell in the first
> Harry Potter game. I'm at the end of the game am I gonna give up because
> it's supposedly beyond my means when I've tried a handful of times? No. Go
> ahead and state every accomplishment you'e done Yohandy but with your
> attitude to me you are not a gamer. Gamers go outside their saftey boxes.
> The fact of the matter is any blind person playing a game should know
> already they're not gonna easily beat it. They shouldn't be looking for
> games that are easy to beat. That's humilliating and degrading about as
> much as when patrick was on this list saying shit about games when he never
> plays a game beyond the setting of easy. You talk about getting people's
> hopes up? You just sat here and said indirectly that the blind community is
> looking for easy games. This game is failproof. It's not like the door to
> the mall moves people would find it eventually just like they end up finding
> the shower in the first level. Just like you go to find bad guys in any rpg
> game you guys do play. You wander around till you freaking find it. You
> guys rant and rave about games not being playable at all and then here you
> have one that is and you're still not happy! Why? Because it doesn't have
> spoken dialogue in menus? Because you don't know what buttons to press in
> certain situations? Hey ya know what? They don't give us the answers
> outright to certain puzzles in certain games. We sit there and stare at it
> or wander around just like you guys would and what do we do? We figure it
> the Hell out. If everything were given to you or me or anyone else, if it
> was all spelled out what would the fun be? Furthermore you just played the
> demo you got through it and still deemed it supposedly unplayable. So that
> proves something right there. You gave up and let someone else play it for
> you. Those people on game anyone don't show when they get stuck for months
> because that would be humiliating and boring for the people watching. You
> guys see what you want to see. It doesn't matter when you pre ordered it
> Yohandy, you're letting someone else play the damn game for you. How do you
> know what button combos you'd figure out? How do you know which ones you'd
> need to learn? You're making a lot of assumptions based on what you've HEARD
> not PLAYED and there's a huge difference there. People don't have to buy
> these games like I said before. If they're smart they'll rent them. I'm
> not gonna ask anyone anything. But Brandon can say his piece here if he
> wishes it is his list. He and I have been discussing it. I'm saying what I
> am based on your behaviour on this list. You're the one giving assumptions
> to people. I'm a player who has played the game a bit of the way in and you
> know what I missed one button on the button combo to the sketch on the first
> level and I missed making Shawn dinner, I also didn't find his teddy bear
> but I'm gonna play it out because that's what I did and any blind gamer that
> attempts to tackle this game should do that too. That's what the developer
> wanted was people to play it out and not reload in an attempt to play it
> perfectly. To do what they can do.
>
> I hate this general logic you people have. I'm in the same boat
> as you guys because I'm a female gamer. I'm not a target audience and in
> games I have to deal with crap I sometimes find tasteless. As I said before
> there are some games that are beyond my reaction speed too. So because I
> have a slow reaction speed by your logic it's unplayable for me so I
> shouldn't play. Listen to yourself and what you've said. Go back and read
> your emails. You don't have to say things directly but it's there. More
> than just you do it. If I lost my sight tomorrow I would never take on that
> mentality. It's a defeatist mentality. I have always kept my eyes open for
> games I felt Brandon could play. I'm right almost all of the time. Matter
> of fact I don't think there's one I've been wrong about yet. So sorry if I
> have a higher idea of your abilities than you do people. Should I be
> apologizing for that? I don't think so but there ya go it's in print if you
> want it. Don't come back at me and tell me I don't know what I'm talking
> about either. I have a very good gift for putting myself in other people's
> shoes and without my glasses I am legally blind. I would not be able to see
> to game very well at all either. I can't even find my glasses if they fall
> on my floor because it's a dark color. I've had to use a screen reader at
> points too when I haven't had my glasses or after eye doctor appointments.
> So I'm not an outsider looking in..I'm someone straddling the line.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: Heavy Rain: What we can and can't
> do
> From: "Yohandy" <yohandy85@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, March 06, 2010 9:14 pm
> To: <brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> Uh, I never said not to try. you accused me of a few things I
> never even hinted at let alone said. I actually consider myself a pretty
> hardcore gamer. I've gotten MK vs DC and SF 4 platinums, and I'm real close
> to getting platinums on rock band 2 and lego rock band. I would never tell
> people to give up on a game, because I don't do it myself. In fact I get a
> thrill if I do something I consider insane and succeed. I was just pointing
> out the facts, and letting people know that it wouldn't be easy. I don't
> want people buying heavy rain thinking oh I'm gonna get this game, and
> easily beat it. people won't easily complete this game, and I'm not gonna
> claim otherwise and get people's hopes up, and if they happen to suck at it
> I'll be blamed for the purchase. it'll take lots of work and motivation. do
> you think I'd preorder the game a month in advanced and have it delivered on
> release day if I was a person who gave up on things? course not. I knew
> exactly what I was getting into. already someone has purchased the game and
> hasn't played it much, and I sorta feel responsible for letting them know
> about HR and having them spend money on it cause I couldn't shut up about
> the game. I've spoken to Brandon on MSN previously. ask him if he thinks I'm
> the type of gamer to give up on games. You really shouldn't assume things so
> quickly, it's rather insulting.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: misty@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:21 PM
> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: Heavy Rain: What we can and
> can't do
>
>
> But I still did it. You're telling people not to even try.
> There's a kazillion people there anybody would be blind it's a situation
> where you're looking for a needle in a haystack. All you have to do is find
> the doors.. Until you do nothing happens Yohandy. It's not like he wanders
> farther and farther. He's across the street from the mall. You know when
> you hit the escalator that makes it's own sound. See this is the problem I
> have. You guys are so frustrated with games not being playable that you
> don't even try. You just say oh you have to be sighted so I can't do this.
> Is this how you look at life? Try.. Seriously try. Don't try once and give
> up, try and try again. We sighted people if we can't do something the first
> time because it's beyond our range of ability we keep trying. I'm not very
> good with button combos but I'll be damned if I let that stop me. I wasn't
> very good at shooters to the point I was afraid to play around anyone else
> because I'd be laughed at. My aim was just to put it simply shit. But now
> I'm really good at them. I can't tell you guys what to do but I think your
> outlook is very dismal and depressing. Do you guys realize how many gamer
> achievements and trophies are just based on pure dumb luck? A certain
> situation presenting itself and you just so happen to be in the right place
> at the right time? Brandon got a trophy today in mlb for hitting a home run
> out in left feild into the rocks at aneheim. He told me he didn't think he
> could beat krea in KOTOR 2 but I told him just try it. You guys don't have
> to buy any of these games. There's gamefly and there's blockbuster and
> other rental places. Go rent them. If you feel after you've tried the
> hardest you can and exhausted all options that you can't play it then fine.
> But if you just try a handful of times and say I can't do this because i'm
> blind, that's not the spirit of any gamer I know. I guess by using your
> logic i shouldn't play guitar hero on expert or god of war because i'm not
> very good at fast response. I shouldn't play call of duty because i suck at
> war games where i have to strategize and work in stealth. I'm an in your
> face gamer. I love melee combat in left 4 dead but i still play every
> single one of the games I mentioned.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: Heavy Rain: What we can and
> can't do
> From: "Yohandy" <yohandy85@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, March 06, 2010 3:04 pm
> To: <brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> Misty, you just proved my point. if finding Jason was tough
> for you, imagine for a totally blind person? like you said there are a whole
> mess of people in that mall. we'll just end up walking around endlessly and
> he'll desperately keep searching till we get frustrated and turn off the
> game or happen to find him randomly. in this situation, the game will not
> continue even if you walk around all day. Jason will just patiently wait for
> you to find him before the game triggers the next scene. there are many
> sections like this where time won't pass unless you do what the game demands
> you do. A walkthrough for this game wouldn't be particularly hard to
> make, except for writing up those walking parts. trials will be pretty tough
> as well. rest is just basically lists of possible options. it'll be time
> consuming though!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: misty@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 2:15 PM
> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: Heavy Rain: What we can and
> can't do
>
>
> Actually I played most of the mall scene "blind" for
> about the first like 5 minutes. I didn't hear the dialogue about the
> balloon so I was trying to find a kid in that sea of people it was kinda
> freaky. Then Brandon mentioned the balloon and I was like oh! Kid with a
> balloon kid with a balloon then I found that kid that wasn't him! I was like
> omg! Now chelle stayed with him somehow it was kinda cool. And yes while
> if you don't get a button press right it may affect the game later on but it
> does not mean that the blind cannot play this game. Now as I said before to
> see all the paths the game has to offer you'd need a FAQ. But this isn't
> the normal situation where you guys will get stuck and the game will not
> progress. That is generally what you guys call a game that's unplayable.
> So to answer people's questions about it, yes this game is playable. And I
> clarified what I meant by it in previous emails. You CAN play the game
> independantly.. you can get to the end of it independantly. Can you unlock
> all the options to the game independantly? No but is that better than not
> being able to play it at all? I'd say yeah but then again I'm not very far
> in the game.
>
> I also tend to be a bit crazy when it comes to games LOL!
> I've had Brandon do some things he thought was impossible for him to do.
> Like defeat Krea in Knights of The Old Republic 2. He defeated Bohan for me
> in Heavenly Sword and he's been opening doors for me in Heavy Rain because I
> just can't seem to get it right. I've even had Brandon play Left 4 Dead and
> while he didn't advance in the level too far, he did not die. That's
> something right there! At least I thought it was cool. Also as I said
> before if I have time to I'd be willing to help out with the FAQ but it
> would take me a long time as my time is limited. Probably would release it
> by level maybe on Brandon's site. I don't know yet. Right now I can't say
> I can do it. So I wanna wait and see if someone else does it first. It
> would be better to have someone release it all at once for you than piece by
> piece like I would have to when time allowed.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: Heavy Rain: What we can
> and can't do
> From: "Yohandy" <yohandy85@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, March 06, 2010 1:49 pm
> To: <brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> Misty,
> Your point is a good one for the most part, but the game
> won't continue in certain situations. for instance the mall scene is one of
> many where you need to walk around to find what you need to find. lol trying
> to not spoil things is hard work. haha. anyway if you just choose to stand
> there, nothing will happen. if it's a button sequence you're dealing with
> and you press nothing, an undesirable result will most likely occur that
> you'll end up regretting later on. if you press a wrong button, it'll have
> the same consequences. this game isn't made in such a way that you can just
> guess what to do, you have to know what you're doing. I appreciate that
> you're trying to help, but we gotta face facts. we'd all love to play this
> game independently, but unless a good faq comes out, I doubt we'll be too
> successful by simply guessing. I'm just grateful I have people here that can
> help. not everyone does.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: misty@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 10:07 AM
> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: Heavy Rain: What we can
> and can't do
>
>
>
> Yep that's what I'm saying. You guys have to realize
> that failure with this game isn't really failure. It doesn't stop you from
> seeing the rest of the game. It continues on even if people die or you make
> a "wrong" choice. There really is no right or wrong in this game. That's
> the whole idea behind it. So generally you guys say an unplayable game is
> one that you get stuck on and cannot advance any further due to something
> you have to see to continue. If you can't then you can't continue on in
> the game and you'll never see the end. With heavy rain you will see an
> ending regardless of what you do. You will get through the game.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: Heavy Rain: What we
> can and can't do
> From: Søren_Jensen <slj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, March 06, 2010 9:19 am
> To: brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Okay. So you're saying this game is playable if you
> have a great walkthrough and if you take your time to figure it all out? I
> don't have any people who can help me accept for one of my friends who love
> games, but he's not here all the time.
> Best regards
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> slj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>
>
> Den Mar 5, 2010 kl. 8:00 PM skrev
> misty@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>
>
> Okay let me clarify here. This game is not
> unplayable it's not beyond the realm of being playable for you guys. If you
> find a FAQ with all the button combos they do not change. As for the
> timings you would have to figure those out on your own as per usual with
> these things. It's not like you'll be stuck people. This game plays on
> regardless of what happens you will never be stuck. You will need help but
> I don't think it goes beyond anything other than finding an FAQ. If a guy
> can get help playing legend of zelda which is way harder than the stuff you
> have to do in heavy rain, i would say this would be a cakewalk. I've been
> helping brandon play parts of heavy rain I've even failed at parts in heavy
> rain such as the drawing of the sketch in the first chapter. Some doors I
> can't open so I have brandon do it for me. Come on people be open minded
> and actually try here. Make an effort.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: Heavy Rain: What
> we can and can't do
> From: Michael Breedlove <stirlock@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Fri, March 05, 2010 10:26 am
> To: brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> This is why I don't buy too many games like
> this. I don't have someone
> around to help me all the time, so there's no
> point. Plus, I pretty
> much told you that this wasn't very playable on
> your own. Buyer
> beware.
>
> On 3/5/10, Orin <orin8722@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > After I get home from Disney, I really want to
> play this game, and it looks
> > like the only way I'm gonna do that is with
> myself, since my brother got so
> > disinterested quickly.
> >
> > I'd really hate to return it, or not play it
> at all, but the fact is that
> > watching it on Youtube you don't see the
> entire thing; you see a players
> > game and if I were to play it it might be
> totally different.
> >
> > Also, from what it seems, this game has nice
> and easy trophies. As in, just
> > playing it will net you some trophies. I've
> watched both the GameAnyone
> > walkthrough and a Youtube walkthrough. The
> outcomes were the same, but the
> > characters doing certain things were
> different.
> >
> > Well, I certainly won't be buying a game again
> until I'm sure my brother
> > will play it. At least a game like this. I
> think eventually we'd be able to
> > do it but here's a problem we run into in the
> prolog.
> >
> > You can walk around the house nude or at least
> upstairs and the bathroom. In
> > your room, when you're standing at your
> dresser or whatever to get drest, is
> > that when the first button prompts come up? My
> brother did actually manage
> > to get this far for me, and he didn't really
> tell me anything so I was
> > unsure. Where he stopped and never did pick it
> up again, and where it gets
> > good, is when Jason goes to the mall. I did
> manage to get through this
> > scene, however my brother probably would've
> gotten through it a lot quicker.
> > I also got through the fight with Troy,
> however I didn't get the trophy for
> > it.
> >
> > And now I'm at the crime scene. And I'm kinda
> stuck here.
> >
> > I doubt anyone has any tips on where to go?
> Hmm. Hopefully I can get my
> > brother playing somehow. I'd hate to return a
> kickass game just because I
> > couldn't get help for it.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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