I agree with Mayrie. You can't possibly please everyone, and asterisks are frequently used as dividers anyway. Screen readers or other readers, such as Victor or Book Port can always be slowed down some, or punctuation levels can be increased. Most of the time, if a division is called for, it is apparent from context, so if you miss the slight pause, you can still understand what has taken place. That context deduction also goes for end of picture descriptions and such, too. Kathy > "The LORD bless you and keep you; > the LORD make His face shine upon you > and be gracious to you; > the LORD turn His face toward you > and give you peace." > Numbers 6:24-26 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mayrie ReNae To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:21 AM Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: symbls vs words Hi Cindy, This is just my opinion, but I'd do things as we always have done, using symbols, not words. They're not obtrusive or intrusive, whichever is correct, but they show quickly that something needs to be noticed. If it's not enough for some people, then maybe, if they really want to take note, they can slow down their screen readers, or increase, or decrease the amount of punctuation that is spoken. In my opinion, writing out the words is cumbersome and awkward. And the truth is, we're not going to please all of the people all of the time, and some of the people, we're never going to please. So, for me, at least, it's brackets and asterisks as we have always done. It's an indicator of changes and doesn't take up a lot of time or space to read. And for me, that's what I want, knowledge without intrusion. All that said, it's just my opinion. And others can do what they feel is right. Mayrie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Cindy [mailto:popularplace@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:55 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bookshare-discuss] symbls vs words A short while ago a member posted that when she read by listening (is that Daisy?) with punctuation off the bracket at the end of a description and asterisks that indicate several line spaces between sections went by so quickly that it was hard to process them mentally. I responded with a post that asked if it would be preferable for me to write the words, i.e., asterisk(instead of using the symbols) and end of description ( instead of a final bracket at the end of a description; no one responded yea or nay. Today a member told me that when she's listening the words asterisk(s) are somewhat disrupting. I have in the past beenusing only one or 2 asterisks; I understand many people use 3; maybe then they wouldn't fly past so fast. In the book I'm proofing now I'm using the words, and I won't go aack to change what I've done,but I can continue using the symbols or continue using words, and I'd like to know what's preferable for the next books I proof. Cindy Cindy Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and books-being-scanned list available at sites below Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List Books Being Scanned List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Scanned. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2915 - Release Date: 06/03/10 01:25:00