Not sure if this is the same Burgess. I think the 1st edition was 1970. It is a reasonably exhaustive resource for the collector. From a scientific point of view it seems to straddle the fence between the old taxonomical orthodoxy based on conchilial morphology and more recent approaches. It's going to be a real bear to scan. . . When I used it as a reference in the '70s it was a sizable tome of a hardbook full of population distribution maps and color plates. It may have been reissued under a new edition. . . I hope so, because the color photos all bore a slightly sickly greenish tinge that could make specimen identification a trial sometimes. If anyone decides to scannit, be prepared. . . it's going to be a labour of editing love. G. Guido Dante Corona IBM Research, Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) Austin Tx. Phone: (512) 286-5794 Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.ibm.com/able 'there is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept' Ansel Adams Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx Sent by: 01/23/2009 09:33 PM Please respond to bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx cc Subject [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll - smile I am not in the mood to check bibliographies right now, so let me ask. Does my memory fail me or is that one of the works that S Gould drew on heavily in formulating his theory of punctuated equilibrium? Whether it is or not, as a Gould fan, I would be interested in reading it myself. It is definitely one I have not read. Presumably that is the same Burgess of Burgess shale fame? Do you know when it was published? table with 2 columns and 6 rows Subj: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll - smile Date: 1/23/2009 9:13:07 PM Eastern Standard Time From: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end Thank you Monica, if you ever became infatuated as I am with the Cowrie genus, please scan and submit to Bookshare The Living Cowries -- by C. M. Burgess It is, in fact, a somewhat dated if excellent book on the subject. Yet, passionate arguments on the problem of regional population variants versus subspeciation in the all too variable C. arabicula. -- while fascinating and valuable amongst evolutionary biologists and malacologists -- would exceed the scope of topical discussions on this board. Besides, discussion of certain details of Cowrie anatomy may even be found offensive to the sensitivities of some non initiates. (smiles!) G. Guido Dante Corona IBM Research, Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) Austin Tx. Phone: (512) 286-5794 Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.ibm.com/able 'there is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept' Ansel Adams Monica Willyard Sent by: 01/23/2009 07:51 PM Please respond to bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx table with 2 columns and 3 rows To <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll - smile table end Guido, thanks for giving me something to smile about. Your explanation wonderfully surpasses anything I might have written. Monica Willyard "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guido Corona [ mailto:guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:49 PM To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll - smile Roger, the only issue is that the entire topic is out of bound to the subject of this list. In the same way, my opinions on matters that may be of passionate interest to me, such as the geographic distribution and speciation of Cyprea arabicula, whether or not zapping a conductor with 1 million volts in a Tessla device can be deemed Quantum Tunnelling, or the contestation of the age of the cretacean Iridium boundary, are all irrelevant to this board. Whether or not I can find friendly or opposing views to my extremely strong opinions on such topics, I would still be out of order, unless I were to ask bookshare-related questions such as. . . Are there bookshare books that can help me to research patterns of speciation in isolated populations of C. arabicula? Saluti, Guido Guido Dante Corona IBM Research, Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) Austin Tx. Phone: (512) 286-5794 Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.ibm.com/able 'there is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept' Ansel Adams Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx Sent by: 01/23/2009 03:17 PM Please respond to bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx table with 2 columns and 3 rows To bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx cc Subject [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll - smile table end Believe it or not, people who have different opinions than yours are not necessarily angry and bitter. If you think you have gotten to know an imaginary being you might have a hard time understanding that, but it is true. I think you will also find it much more liberating to form your opinions by basing them on objective reality rather than unfounded assumptions. That way you will not presume to know anything about another person's experiences without even knowing that person. Believe me, seeking and finding truth is an extremely gratifying thing to do and has to beat just claiming something to be the truth without even trying to test it against reality. table with 2 columns and 6 rows Subj: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll - smile Date: 1/23/2009 1:27:04 PM Eastern Standard Time From: shirleytracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end Roger, I'm sorry that you have had such a bad experience with religion that you have become angry and bitter. As for me, coming to know God was what freed me from the confines of "Religion." You see, I believe there is a big difference. Now, if you were not so angry, you would not have responded to the notice about the Christian book thing. I didn't respond to a notice about fantasy books, even though I'm not particularly interested in them. Your quick response tells me you're still hurting--and for that I am really sorry. Shirley P.S. I didn't remove my name from the list because others of you out there have had some interesting things to say. I seldom jump in, but I am learning a lot block quote ----- Original Message ----- From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll - smile Your point is quite legitimate. It is interesting that those who object to the pot being stirred are at the same time vigorously stirring the pot. It is as simple as this. If I am looking at a message that I have a response to then, like anyone else, I respond to it. In the process of making those responses I am bound to express my opinions. If you don't like those opinions -- and I am using the universal you here -- then, really, honestly, think about it, that really is just tough shit. The plain fact is that there are a lot of people in this world whose opinions you are not going to like and if you open your mind enough to accept that then I guarantee that you will be a lot happier. Opening your mind may run counter to what you have been taught in church, but churches, despite what they might say, are in the business of controlling you, not ensuring your personal happiness. I will also point out that even though I have never been a believer myself I have known any number of atheists who were former religionists and their stories are very similar. The story is always one of accumulating doubts and discomfort with their upbringing and that is usually rather sad, but the part where they put their upbringing behind them and finally break with religion is an entirely different matter. They always describe it as the most liberating experience in their lives and one of the most liberating parts is that they can finally disagree with others without feeling a self destructive gnawing hatred inside. It still remains, though, that if you have not had that liberating experience and it upsets you so much to hear an opinion that is different from your own you can minimize exposure to those opinions by not denigrating them and thereby provoking the person with the different opinion to respond to you. table with 2 columns and 6 rows Subj: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll - smile Date: 1/23/2009 6:09:00 AM Eastern Standard Time From: dhubb100@xxxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end I'mnew to thislist but it seems to me that if people don't react the pot in effect hasn't been stired. And, this really doesn't help any of us who need help or want to discuss Bookshare right? -Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll - smile > It is interesting, isn't it? Most discussion lists get a person who > trolls, sooner or later. Usually the list manager puts a troll on > moderate so that they don't get the opportunity to constantly stir up the > pot. Since Bookshare hasn't ever assigned an active list manager to this > list, as far as I've ever seen, the only way left for the list members to > handle a troll is to ignore the posts made by that individual every time > they begin trolling. smile. > > Judy s. > > Cindy Rosenthal wrote: >> Thanks, Judy. That's really interesting. I'd never >> heard that term before. >> smile >> >> Cindy >> >> --- "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> Cindy, Sharon and Patti, Roger is trolling every >>> time someone posts regarding Christianity, and has done so since >>> he came on the list. >>> >>> If you're not familiar with the term "troll" or >>> "internet troll," here's a definition from Wikipedia: >>> >>> "An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet >>> slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or >>> off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online >>> discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking >>> other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt >>> normal on-topic discussion" >>> >>> The best way to handle trolling (again I'll quote >>> from Wikipedia, as they put it well) is simple: "Do not feed the >>> troll." You'll find that abbreviated as "D-N-F-T" or "D-F-T-T" in >>> Internet slang. >>> >>> Put simply: you'll drive yourself crazy by getting >>> sucked into a discussion with someone who is trolling. Consider >>> just ignoring a troll's posts when he or she is trolling. Provoking a >>> response is what a troll enjoys. Roger himself has posted >>> here that he loves to stir things up just for the fun he gets out >>> of it. grin. >>> >>> Judy s. >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank Email to >>> >>> bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the >>> Subject line. To get a list of available commands, >>> put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. >>> >>> >> >> >> WISH LIST (CALLED REQUESTED ADDITIONS TO THE BOOKSHARE COLLECTION)IS >> AVAILABLE AT http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/wish_list/wish_list.htm >> www.lljfm.net/bookshare/home.htm >> >> A LIST OF BOOKS CURRENTLY BEING SCANNED IS AVAILABLE AT >> http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/ >> www.lljfm.net/bookshare/home.htm >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank Email to >> bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the Subject line. To get a >> list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject >> line. >> >> > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank Email to > bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the Subject line. 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