[bookshare-discuss] Re: OOOps! I spoke out of turn
- From: Brenda Mueller <brendin@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:55:29 -0400
Yes, but aren't you staff people from a school or something? I think individual
accounts are only allowed 20 books. Most of the time, that will work. It's
not like I'm in here all day; I have to work.
Brenda Mueller
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "J.M." <inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:06:21 -0700
>Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: OOOps! I spoke out of turn
>Hi, Cindy. No, you're right. We get 100 books per month, but as I just said
>in another message, the book counter can be reset, so even the 100 isn't a
>written-in-stone limit. Take care.
>Julie Morales
>Email and Windows/MSN Messenger:
>inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>When God puts a tear in your eye, it is because He wants to put a rainbow in
>your heart.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx
>To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:51 PM
>Subject: [bookshare-discuss] OOOps! I spoke out of turn
>OOOps -- Not until I hit send did I realize you said
>per month. I think the 100 is per year. But I should
>"butt out" and let other people answer who know more
>than I. Sorry.
>Cindy
>-- Brenda Mueller <brendin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> My impression is that I, as an individual subscriber
>> can download 20 books a month. When I'm working,
>> that's not going to happen, but when I'm home,
>> snowed in with the power out, boy, can I read.
>> Voice note works on batteries. When the power is
>> out, I turn to Bookshare.
>> Brenda Mueller
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx
>>>To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
>>>Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Do these books get
>> read before being submitted?
>>>Julie,
>>>Hopefully you read my reply to boomerdad, but in
>> case
>>>not -- be sure to notify Jesse that the book is
>>>unreadable all the way through.
>>>BTW, Jesse -- when a member downloads a book from
>> the
>>>collection that he/she can't enjoy, do they get a
>>>credit for the book, so it doesn't count against
>> their
>>>limit of 50 (or whatever?)
>>>Cindy
>>>--- "J.M." <inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> I can relate to this. Last night, I was reading
>> one
>>>> of the Left Behind
>>>> books. I was over halfway done with the book when
>> I
>>>> encountered pure junk.
>>>> Nothing made sense. I kept scrolling through,
>> trying
>>>> to find where I left
>>>> off or at least somewhere where the text started
>>>> making sense, but no luck.
>>>> I was so frustrated! It irritates me when you get
>>>> into a book and not
>>>> realize it has some junk pages until you've
>> already
>>>> gotten into it. I guess
>>>> I'll be downloading this copy from Web braille,
>> as I
>>>> know they have the
>>>> whole series, but it is frustrating. Take care.
>>>> Julie Morales
>>>> Email and Windows/MSN Messenger:
>>>> inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> When God puts a tear in your eye, it is because
>> He
>>>> wants to put a rainbow in
>>>> your heart.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "boomerdad" <boomerdad@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 3:12 AM
>>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Do these books get
>> read
>>>> before being submitted?
>>>> After having some difficulty scanning Wizard and
>>>> Glass by Stephen King (I
>>>> think Openbook doesn't like scanning big books
>> when
>>>> set to scan page layout
>>>> elements, but that's a whole other topic for
>> another
>>>> list), I downloaded WIG
>>>> from Bookshare and began to read. My first
>> finding
>>>> was that the entire book
>>>> was double-spaced. I was a bit irritated, but I
>>>> figured well, maybe there
>>>> was a problem either in converting the book to
>> the
>>>> Bookshare format, or
>>>> maybe when Openbook loaded it as an .ark file
>>>> something happened. I
>>>> figured, well, I can just manually fix this as I
>>>> read. No big. Then I came
>>>> up on a page that is completely and totally
>> garbled,
>>>> beyond any ability to
>>>> recognize what the text is supposed to be. There
>>>> are ^ symbols all over the
>>>> place, and other oddities. Granted, the book is
>>>> over 600 pages long, and
>>>> that may be the only page like this ... I stopped
>>>> reading in disgust and
>>>> opted to try re-scanning this mammoth with
>> Openbook.
>>>> I have yet to do so;
>>>> that's tomorrow's t
>>>> hree-plus-hour task. My question is: If the
>> person
>>>> read this before
>>>> submitting it, why not re-scan the offending
>>>> page(s)? And if the submitting
>>>> person didn't read it before submitting ... why
>>>> submit something you haven't
>>>> read yourself? It just seems like an awfully big
>>>> leap of faith to do this;
>>>> I've done it twice, and both times I was,
>>>> thankfully, given the opportunity
>>>> to make "corrections" in the form of rescanning
>>>> pages that had
>>>> unintelligible material. Once I was able to take
>>>> advantage of the
>>>> opportunity, once I wasn't ... but it taught me a
>>>> very valuable lesson, as
>>>> was reinforced by my Wizard and Glass experience.
>>>> Besides, if you read
>>>> something before submitting it, you get a chance
>> to
>>>> edit out the errors of a
>>>> scan and submit a near-perfect to perfect copy of
>>>> your book.
>>>> It occurs to me as I write this that maybe the
>>>> offending page could've been
>>>> caused by Openbook somehow, as I've encountered
>>>> garbled pages like this when
>>>> scanning with Finereader from time to time. I
>> find
>>>> this unlikely, though,
>>>> since so far as I know, Openbook merely reads
>> from
>>>> the Daisy-formatted book,
>>>> and doesn't "convert" it to anything.
>>>> The only possible objection to this
>>>> read-before-submitting thing that comes
>>>> readily to mind is "Well, if we did that, many
>> fewer
>>>> books would be
>>>> available," to which I reply that while this is
>>>> true, the quality of said
>>>> books would be more consistent, more likely than
>>>> not, and would lead to many
>>>> more satisfying reading experiences. I submit
>> many
>>>> more books to
>>>> Bookshare.org than I personally download, mainly
>>>> because I've found from my
>>>> experiences that downloading a book from
>> Bookshare
>>>> is a rather hit-and-miss
>>>> experience.
>>>> I also want to hasten to add that I am not in any
>>>> way flaming the individual
>>>> who submitted Wizard and Glass. As I said, I've
>> had
>>>> this happen myself to
>>>> two of my submissions, so the question is more or
>>>> less hypothetical; I was
>>>> merely relating my experience, which happened to
>>>> involve that particular
>>>> book.
>>>> If this post has had a harsh edge to it, I assure
>>>> you it's not intentional.
>>>> I am frustrated, and that has probably carried
>> over
>>>> into my writing, despite
>>>> my attempts to prevent it from doing so. I
>> already
>>>> have scanned the book
>>>> twice unsuccessfully because of the
>> affore-mentioned
>>>> page-layout problem in
>>>> OpenBook, and the idea of scanning it *again* is
>> ...
>>>> well ... frustrating.
>>>> I thought about just trying to re-scan any
>>>> problematic pages ... but the
>>>> Bookshare pages and Openbook's page divisions
>> don't
>>>> line up, so I'd have to
>>>> do all sorts of cutting and pasting and deleting
>> and
>>>> ... yikes...! I think
>>>> if my problem had just been with garbled pages,
>> I'd
>>>> do it, but since I would
>>>> have to delete all those blank lines as I read
>> the
>>>> Bookshare version ...
>>>> I'll try scanning it one. more. time. with the
>>>> page-layout feature turned
>>>> off and hope for better results.
>>>> If nothing else, thanks for listening to
>> (reading)
>>>> me vent. I realize
>>>> Bookshare is a voluntary program, and its
>> existence
>>>> is a wonderful thing;
>>>> that's why I've joined it, and that's why I
>> submit
>>>> books I read. I just
>>>> wish that when downloading a book to read from
>>>> Bookshare, I could be more
>>>> secure in the knowledge that I won't have to
>> worry
>>>> about encountering
>>>> incomprehensible garbage that makes me guess at
>> what
>>>> occurred in passages of
>>>> a book.
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