[bookshare-discuss] Re: Missing Annotations
- From: lana <lana5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:31:03 -0700
Absolutely! I may gripe about the lack of annotation, and will continue to do
so, but I truly appreciate the increase in both quality and quanity of books
available. When I remember the seventies, eighties and even the nineties, I am
amazed.
While I believe in competition, I think that it would be a very destructive
approach in this case.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2008/12/11 08:52:38
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Missing Annotations
>
>
> Dear Peter and Booksharian Friends,
>
> Peter, stick around for a while and watch Bookshare evolve and I can assure
> you it will.
>
> In the two and a half years I've been a subscriber and volunteer the quality
> of incoming books has steadily improved. It's astounding how much more
> accurate scanning hard and software has become and how accomplished are the
> volunteers.
>
> For the most part, I validate. As a lifetime braille reader, retired teacher
> of the visually impaired and a spare-time line and continuity editor,, I
> proofread books word by word from my first days as a validator. As careful
> and pokey as I was, I was a newbie with a lot to learn. It was on the job
> training with volunteers on the lists for my teachers. Fortunately, we
> always have newcomers who make mistakes as we all did at first, but who
> will, with practice and support, become competent, productive, contributors
> which insures that the volunteer community will remain strong and
> innovative.
>
> Bookshare has raised its standards. It allows volunteers to use their
> initiative resulting in auxiliary resources like Jakes list of tips, Monica
> W4's contest to reward submittors and validators, Cindy R4's daily lists of
> new books added, books being scanned and the wish list and Pat Price's
> Friends of Bookshare site with its chat rooms and book clubs. Bookshare
> gives its volunteers a positive environment in which to improve. It also
> encourages us to remove books with errors and replace them with finer
> copies.
>
> The books I pick up are scanned by volunteers whose work is so pristine I
> can't imagine well paid employees doing any better. My own ability to
> utilize Microsoft Word and Kurzweil has been honed so well that though my
> list of elements to check, in addition to word by word proofreading, has
> grown, my speed is faster. The feedback I get from subscribers who download
> my books and read them in braille and auditorially reassures me they are
> accurate and highly readable.
>
> It's true some of the braille translation tools need to be more
> sophisticated, but Bookshare's steeply inclined technical development curve
> is a reliable indicator that the tools will get better along with everything
> else Bookshare has undertaken.
>
> Remember, Bookshare is a nonprofit organization which gives its subscribers
> more books than anyone could afford to buy or would be allowed to borrow
> from any library. Where else are members invited to wish for and add any
> book they like. Growing up as a blind reader, books were chosen for me. Now
> if I or a cast of hundreds can get our hands on a book, it's ours and we do
> the choosing.
>
> The name says it so simply and eloquently. Bookshare. We the readers, share
> with each other and anyone who has trouble accessing print books. The
> growing staff, generously supplemented by volunteers, has gathered a massive
> collection of over 42,400 books. This couldn't have been accomplished by a
> for profit business or even by a splendidly successful organization like
> National Braille Press which relies on paid staff for all of its output.
>
> This isn't Bookbuy, it's Bookshare and it's thriving and maturing beyond our
> wildest expectations. So, grab some books that float your boat and stick
> around.
>
> Always with love,
>
> Lissi
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:22 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Missing Annotations
>
>
> > We can complain as much as we want to, but that won't make us sighted. If
> > it did, then some of us would be visionaries indeed.
> >
> > One thing I do if I find a really good book (or one that is really bad) is
> > to write a review for that book. We can all do that and it may help the
> > next person decide to give the book a chance. Another thing I do for books
> > I really like is to write a blurb here on this list. Unfortunately, I
> > haven't done that as much as I should have, but it's another way we can
> > all help each other out.
> >
> > Peter, in the last paragraph of your message you bring up a good idea;
> > namely, the possibility for a competitor to bookshare. I'm all for
> > competition, but the competitors have a high bar to cross.
> >
> > Bookshare is quite inexpensive $25.00 per year and if you find $25 per
> > year onerous you can volunteer and pay them with credits; it has a well
> > established library (I don't remember the number of books, but it's more
> > than I'll ever read); and it has a wonderful crew of volunteers.
> >
> > However, if there are competitors, bring 'em on and I'll join them too.
> >
> > Bob
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:39 PM
> > Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Missing Annotations
> >
> >
> >> Good afternoon again,
> >>
> >> I believe we're all missing something here. Every time a sighted
> >> person
> >> wishes to obtain information about a particular book are they being
> >> forced
> >> to Google the title? I don't think so. Now should we put up with being
> >> forced to doing so when the information exists which could be placed on
> >> the
> >> listing page for busy members to obtain an idea of a book's content and
> >> purpose? Some of us are very busy and don't have time to Google our lives
> >> away; not when you have several Web clients jumping your gate concerning
> >> their site's content. If Bookshare.org and its members fail to address
> >> this
> >> and other issues related to the content of its holdings perhaps a little
> >> competition would cause them to do something about it.
> >>
> >> Peter Donahue
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Elfqueen" <elfqueen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:48 PM
> >> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Missing Annotations
> >>
> >>
> >> Maybe there's a reason why they're restricted. If a book doesn't have a
> >> satisfactory synopsis, it's not difficult at all to google the title and
> >> get
> >> as much info as you could want on it.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:46 PM
> >> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Missing Annotations
> >>
> >>
> >>> Good afternoon Cindy and listers,
> >>>
> >>> The character limit can be raised to accommodate a longer scinopsis.
> >>>
> >>> Peter Donahue
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Cindy Rosenthal" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:03 AM
> >>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Missing Annotations
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As I said in my posteathe short synopsis is restricted
> >>> to 250 inincharacters.* The synopses to which you refer,
> >>> usually on the cover flap or the back cover of a book,
> >>> are more than that and have to be edited. Plus, some
> >>> books, especially paperbacks, and possibly the ebooks
> >>> donatged by the publishers--I have no idea about
> >>> them--have no such synopses. (the word is spelled s y
> >>> n o p s i s in the singular and s y n o p s e s in the
> >>> plural form, btw. smile.)
> >>>
> >>> The publishers, as I think Bob said, don't so anything
> >>> but send the books, I gather in ebook form, to
> >>> bookshare. Designated personel prepare them for
> >>> bookshare form. My solution to avoid upsetting people
> >>> would be not to add them to the collection until the
> >>> synopses are added, and I think I suggested this to
> >>> Carrie to be passed on, but I don't remember. The PQ
> >>> books added yesterday or the day before did have short
> >>> synopses.
> >>>
> >>> There is no excuse for volunteer-processed books not
> >>> having short synopses, and I think they all do now.
> >>> There is a place on the submission form for both long
> >>> and short synopses, and people have been told not to
> >>> write in the short synopses space "See long synopsis."
> >>> Upon occasion I've gone to the long synopsis and
> >>> edited it to fit the short synopsis and added it to my
> >>> list that I mail out (I don't think you receive it but
> >>> if you want to, let me know. Since only 6 books were
> >>> added today (Tuesday) I'll post the list at the end of
> >>> this and you can see how it differs from the Browse
> >>> New Books list, from which it's taken (. On one
> >>> occasion all I had to do was take the first couple of
> >>> lines; I don't know why neither the scanner nor the
> >>> validator didn't do that.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Ro
> >>>
> >>> 6 English-Language books, added to the collection Dec.
> >>> 9
> >>> All Books are downloadable in BRF and Daisy unless
> >>> otherwise stated; May include (or not) Adult-rated
> >>> books. THIS LIST DOES NOT INCLUDE books only available
> >>> to public K-12 schools and organizations in the United
> >>> States for use with students with an IEP (NIMAC)
> >>>
> >>> Abbreviations Used: LJ= Library Journal2' SLJ=School
> >>> Library Journal; PW=Publishers' Weekly; PD=Product
> >>> Details--from Publisher; A=Amazon; BN=Barnes&Noble;
> >>> K=Kirkus; BL = Booklist; CL=Children's Literature;
> >>> CM=Child's Magazine; KL (KLIATT=BIMONTHLY magazine,
> >>> publishes reviews of paperback books, hardcover
> >>> fiction for adolescents, audiobooks, and educational
> >>> software recommended for libraries and classrooms
> >>> serving young adults V (VOYA)
> >>>
> >>> ininininininMy Dearest Friend: Letters of Abigail and John
> >>> Adams by Margaret A. Hogan (editor), C. James Taylor
> >>> (editor)
> >>> Quality: Excellent, almost no errors.
> >>> Nonfiction
> >>> Synopsis: Letters that were sent by Abigail and John
> >>> Adams during their courtship, marriage (separation
> >>> when John Adams was in Europe) and when they were
> >>> apart in the States. Touching history brought into
> >>> life.
> >>> Copyright Date: 2007
> >>>
> >>> ininininininThe Hemingses of Monticello: An American Family by
> >>> Annette Gordon-Reed
> >>> Quality: Excellent, almost no errors.
> >>> Nonfiction
> >>> Synopsis: Not only a biography of Sally Hemings, who
> >>> bore 7 children by Thomas Jefferson, this book details
> >>> the extraordinary lives of her ancestors and
> >>> descendants also. Winner of the National Book award.
> >>> Copyright Date: 2008
> >>>
> >>> ininininininA Country Christmas by Bonnie Lou Risby
> >>> Quality: Excellent, almost no errors.
> >>> Chlildrens/adult fiction
> >>> Synopsis: It's such a hard year in the Ozarks even
> >>> Santa's broke. A tornado, illness, and being teased
> >>> and cheated can't keep Francy and her large family
> >>> down. They use what they have in surprising ways to
> >>> make a beautiful Christmas. Ages 6-9 and all ages.
> >>> Copyright Date: 1996
> >>>
> >>> ininininininMindhunter: Inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime
> >>> Unit by John Douglas, Mark Olshaker
> >>> Quality: Excellent, almost no errors.
> >>> Nonfiction
> >>> Synopsis: True stories of how some of the most
> >>> notorious serial killers and rapist were tracked down.
> >>> Learn how they think by understanding the way they
> >>> think and reason.
> >>> Copyright Date: 1995
> >>>
> >>> ininininininThe Promise by Chaim Potok
> >>> Quality: Excellent, almost no errors.
> >>> Fiction
> >>> Synopsis: The Promise is the sequel to and continues
> >>> the story begun in The Chosen
> >>> Copyright Date: 1969
> >>>
> >>> ininininininHalo: The Cole Protocol by Tobias S. Buckell
> >>> Quality: Excellent, almost no errors.
> >>> Science fiction
> >>> Synopsis: In the first desperate days of the
> >>> Human-Covenant War, the UNSC enacted the Cole Protocol
> >>> to safeguard Earth and its inner colonies from
> >>> discovery by a merciless alien foe.
> >>> Copyright Date: 2008
> >>>
> >>> ininininininWISH LIST (CALLED REQUESTED ADDITIONS TO THE
> >>> BOOKSHARE COLLECTIONGGIS AVAILABLE AT
> >>> http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/
> >>> www.lljfm.net/bookshare/home.htm
> >>>
> >>> A LIST OF BOOKS CURRENTLY BEING SCANNED IS AVAILABLE
> >>> AT http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/
> >>> www.lljfm.net/bookshare/home.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Peter Donahue <pdonahue1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello Cindy and listers,
> >>>>
> >>>> How many books have you read that contain a
> >>>> scinopsis or a brief
> >>>> annotation at the beginning. It's just a matter of a
> >>>> volunteer or publisher
> >>>> copying and pasting this information in to the
> >>>> validate along with the other
> >>>> data and it's done!! This whole business about this
> >>>> requirement being too
> >>>> time-consuming is nothing but first-class poppy cock
> >>>> if you asked me! And
> >>>> that also goes for Braille titles not being
> >>>> proofread before they're posted.
> >>>> My wife Mary over heard me writing this note and
> >>>> said, "Amen!!" That's to be
> >>>> expected from her since she's a Braille proofreader
> >>>> at the Education Service
> >>>> Center Region Twenty in San Antonio. If
> >>>> Bookshare.org wants someone to
> >>>> assist with proofreading their Braille titles they
> >>>> need only give Mary's
> >>>> boss a call. All the best.
> >>>>
> >>>> Peter Donahue
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Cindy Rosenthal" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 4:40 AM
> >>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Missing Annotations
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The PQ books have been put on the list by bookshare
> >>>> staff--certain ones are assigned to this--and at a
> >>>> later time they will fill in the synopses. They
> >>>> aren't
> >>>> validated by anyone.
> >>>>
> >>>> For a while Mayrie and I were suppling short
> >>>> synopses
> >>>> but it is very time-consuming--not as easy as it
> >>>> sounds, Peter, because of the restriction of 250
> >>>> characters. I was very relieved to learn that they
> >>>> would be supplied later and that I needn't bother
> >>>> doing them.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think I did write and suggest that maybe it would
> >>>> be
> >>>> better not to post them until the synopses were
> >>>> ready--but maybe I just thought about it. I did
> >>>> notice, though, that the PQ books added to the
> >>>> collection today all had short synopses, though not
> >>>> perfect ones--not really synopses but something that
> >>>> gave one an idea of what the book was about.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sometimes, when I know the book or have read about
> >>>> it,
> >>>> if I see a synopsis that is way off the mark, I've
> >>>> rewritten it for my list and notified Carrie in case
> >>>> they want to take what I wrote.
> >>>>
> >>>> As Bob said, anyone who had time can write one and
> >>>> send it to Allison to be added--we aren't allowed to
> >>>> just take what's posted on B&Not or Amazon because
> >>>> that
> >>>> is copyrighted, but we can use what is on the back
> >>>> cover if it is up there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy Ro
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The problem
> >>>> --- "Shelley L. Rhodes" <guidinggolden@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Hi Peter and Bonnie and All.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > The fact of the matter is that no one writes the
> >>>> > synopsis' for the publisher
> >>>> > quality books. For a while volunteers were
> >>>> mailing
> >>>> > synopsis's to Alice
> >>>> > hilliger and she was adding them, I believe she is
> >>>> > still doing this. So if
> >>>> > you see a book, do some research figure out what
> >>>> it
> >>>> > is, write a short and
> >>>> > long synopsis and send it to Bookshare they will
> >>>> add
> >>>> > it to the database so
> >>>> > the book has one.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I know right now I don't have the time or energy
> >>>> to
> >>>> > devote to that project
> >>>> > with the other projects I am doing. have way to
> >>>> > much on my plate as it
> >>>> > stands, and can't do that too.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Shelley L. Rhodes, M.A., VRT
> >>>> > And Guinevere: Golden Lady Guide Dog
> >>>> > guidinggolden@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>> > Guide Dogs for the Blind
> >>>> > Alumni Association
> >>>> > www.guidedogs.com
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Though force can protect in emergency, only
> >>>> justice,
> >>>> > fairness, consideration
> >>>> > and cooperation can finally lead men to the dawn
> >>>> of
> >>>> > eternal peace. comDwight
> >>>> > D. Eisenhower, U.S. general and 34th president
> >>>> > (1890-1969)
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> > From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> > To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:37 PM
> >>>> > Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Missing Annotations
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > Hello everyone,
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > For some time I have been greatly troubled by
> >>>> > the number of
> >>>> > > publisher-quality titles posted to the "Browse
> >>>> New
> >>>> > Books" area of the site
> >>>> > > with missing annotations or book summaries. Its
> >>>> > this brief scinopsis that
> >>>> > > often determines whether I feel a book is worth
> >>>> a
> >>>> > read or not. I've had
> >>>> > > previous communications with the folks at
> >>>> Benetek
> >>>> > concerning this matter
> >>>> > > and
> >>>> > > received a less than satisfactory answer. This
> >>>> > problem should be caught
> >>>> > > during the validation process and corrected
> >>>> before
> >>>> > a book is posted for
> >>>> > > membership access. For God sakes it doesn't take
> >>>> a
> >>>> > week to extract a book
> >>>> > > annotation and paste it in to the appropriate
> >>>> > validation field. If I'm
> >>>> > > going
> >>>> > > to pay a subscription to this service I expect
> >>>> to
> >>>> > have access that will
> >>>> > > enable me to choose whether to download and read
> >>>> a
> >>>> > particular book or not
> >>>> > > and I'm sure there are others of you who feel
> >>>> the
> >>>> > same way.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > When asked what particular titles were
> >>>> missing
> >>>> > a scinopsis I explained
> >>>> > > that there are way too many for me to list. For
> >>>> a
> >>>> > while an effort was made
> >>>> > > to include book annotations in the listings, but
> >>>> > the number of titles
> >>>> > > which
> >>>> > > don't include them is on the rise again
> >>>> including
> >>>> > a missing scinopsis to a
> >>>> > > book entitled, "Raising Hell" by Ronin Ro.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > I would again urge the folks at Benetech to
> >>>> > remedy this problem and
> >>>> > > would appreciate the battle joined to ensure
> >>>> that
> >>>> > this solution is put in
> >>>> > > place. It shouldn't be too much to ask a book
> >>>> > publisher to include an
> >>>> > > annotation when they send files for inclusion in
> >>>> > the collection. Now I'm
> >>>> > > done ranting. Here's hoping 2009 will bring with
> >>>> > it a solution to this
> >>>> > > problem and more ways for us to find information
> >>>> > about particular titles
> >>>> > > quickly and easily.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Peter Donahue
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > "Given a chance to dream it can be done
> >>>> > > The promise of tomorrow is real.
> >>>> > > Children of Spaceship Earth the future belongs
> >>>> to
> >>>> > us all."
> >>>> > > Flying for Me,
> >>>> > > John Denver
> >>>> > >
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