That is not faith. There is an assumption within the scientific method that the universe follows certain laws and is orderly in a certain fashion, but that is based on long and consistent observation. If the universe started to show itself to be something that no longer followed its own rules in a manner consistent enough that it could not be the manifestation of mistakes or poor observation techniques then the use of the scientific method would demand that the assumption be abandoned. It might also put an end to the validity of the scientific method, but there is no reason to believe that is likely to ever happen. table with 2 columns and 6 rows Subj: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Miranda Borka To Lead Christian Literature Discus... Date: 1/24/2009 12:47:48 PM Eastern Standard Time From: rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end Even science depends to some extent on faith: faith that the universe is orderly, and acts under a set of rules. Just because it is orderly today doesn't mean it will be orderly tomorrow. Bob block quote ----- Original Message ----- From: A. J. Nolte To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Miranda Borka To Lead Christian Literature Discus... There's nothing "scientific" about Marxism. block quote ----- Original Message ----- From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:30 PM Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Miranda Borka To Lead Christian Literature Discus... Now that really is ridiculous. Religion relies on faith. Those who are religious fully admit that. Faith is the act of believing a given proposition or set of propositions without any regard to evidence or reason. That is, if you have faith that you can walk on air and you step off a cliff you will insist as you are falling to your death that you are walking on air. Everything about religion demands an acceptance of its precepts without question or investigation. On the other hand, I stand for a scientific view of the world, one in which truth is determined by looking at the universe around us and experimenting, that is, investigating. Now, somehow I am accused of being threatened by ideas that I will never investigate? The absurdity of that position is incredible. It is the unquestioning proud-to-be-ignorant attitude of religionists that I am in opposition to. I am the one who calls for religionists to stop being threatened by new ideas and start investigating. table with 2 columns and 6 rows Subj: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Miranda Borka To Lead Christian Literature Discussion... Date: 1/24/2009 1:24:53 AM Eastern Standard Time From: garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end It's because he's threatened by ideas he probably will never investigate. block quote ----- Original Message ----- From: Cindy Rosenthal To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:24 PM Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Miranda Borka To Lead Christian Literature Discussion... I agree with Sharon. Clearly the announcement wasn't made for people like you and me, not interested, so why read it and take notice of it? Do you comment on the other literature discussion groups. If I had read it, as you did, and noticed Miranda's comment, I would have understood it to mean "others like ourselves." She probably saw no need to add those last two words because she assumed that only those interested in discussion Christian literature would read the notice. I'm quite certain that I understand what she means by content that might be embarrassing to them, too, without her having to state it. Sharon's correct, though, that it really isn't necessary to comment on everything that's posted here, especially if it doesn't interest you. Cindy --- Sharon < mt281820@xxxxxxxxxxx > wrote: > You just have to make a comment each time don't you? > Sharon > -----Original Message----- > From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx > [mailto:Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:44 PM > To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Miranda Borka To > Lead Christian > Literature Discussion... > > > When describing the purpose of the new Christian > literature discussion > group > being sponsored by the Accessible World, Miranda > Borka, the group's > facilitator, commented, "It is designed to provide > information about books > you can share with others without being > embarrassed by the content, and > books you yourself just can't put down! > > > I am pretty sure that if I shared that kind of > content with anyone I would > be embarrassed. > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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