Yah, I'm responding to my own message. <smile> More of an addendum, really. I understand that we are to reproduce the paper version as closely as possible, but where to put information from the dust jacket is somewhat of a judgment call, since - if we were to take this reproduction totally literally, for hardcovers we would put the information on the front half of the dust jacket before the title page, and the information on the back half of the dust jacket at the end of the book. I don't think anyone would agree with that procedure. For paperbacks, reproducing the paper version exactly would entail putting the information on the dust jacket at the end of the book, since paperbacks generally put that stuff on the back of the book. So recognizing that where to put the information from the dust jacket is at least somewhat of a judgment call, and that probably most people would like to read that information somewhere close to the beginning of the book, and that reproducing the book exactly isn't really sensible in this case, it seems most reasonable to put it after the title page and after the copyright information - assuming it is after the title page - or wherever it is, but probably before the information on the dust jacket. ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Just Downloaded My First Book for Validation I understand that, which is why I moved it. It was not after the title page, but after the information on the dust jacket; so I would think that my moving the copyright information actually gives the more accurate reproduction of the original book, since it is now after the title page. Information from the dust jacket is never positioned after the title page. And while I do not have the copy that was submitted, I do have a paperback version, and I know that in the submitted book the information after the title and author is information from the dust jacket, which is not what's on the page after the title page. Even if - almost certainly - that book is laid out differently, the information from the dust jacket would not follow the title page. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jake Brownell To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Just Downloaded My First Book for Validation Hi Evan, Don't forget that our job is to reproduce the books in a manner as they were intended in print. So you shouldn't be moving the copyright information because that would be changing the format. Generally copyright information is on the page following the main title page, but it has been known to be located in different places. HTH, Jake ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:15 PM Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Just Downloaded My First Book for Validation Actually, it may not be as bad as I had at first thought. There are quite a lot of errors in the preliminaries, but after the book actually starts, things seem to improve. Also, I was wrong about the copyright information not being present. He put it after the dust jacket material and I skipped past it on my first lookover. I expected it to be right after the title and author - where NLS puts it and where I put it when I scan stuff. It just seems more logical to put it there, so I have moved the copyright notice up to the top just after the title and author. I think this is a good practice for people in general so the validator doesn't have to go looking for it. I also should have cut him a little more slack, as there is a geneological chart at the beginning of the book with lines going hither and yon from ancestors to descendants. No scanner could be expected to get that straight, and some of the print is also quite small. My perfectionism may have to just take a vacation because I don't think I can sort this out either. I may have to just leave it as it is, regretably. I do have a couple of questions, but I'm going to submit them over at the other list. Still, I don't think a rescan will be needed after all. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill O'Connell To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Just Downloaded My First Book for Validation Don't be intimidated; we all had to start somewhere and you can always ask questions. If you agree early on that the quality is only fair, you will probably be better off rescanning; that has usually been my experience. If this is the case, you might consider rejecting the book and letting Bookshare know that you are rescanning; that way you will get the extra submission credit that you deserve. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Just Downloaded My First Book for Validation I just downloaded my first book for validation. It's _In The Ruins_ by Kate Elliott, Crown of Stars Volume 6. It was submitted on November 17, so it's been up there for a while. The submitter put it in the Fair category, and by the looks of things, that's about right. I've noticed quite a few errors just in the first few pages. Also, the copyright information was not provided, so I put that in. I'm picking up a paper copy this afternoon from a local bookstore. If it had been categorized as excellent, I might not have bothered, but I might have gotten one anyway - preferably from my local library - but they didn't have one. I would prefer to have a paper copy in case there's a scanning error that I can't figure out. I have an Optacon, so I at least don't have to ask someone sighted what's on the page if I run into trouble. I've been wanting to read this book since it came out last August, though, so I'm going to read right through it. However, if the errors are too many and too egregious, I just may scan the whole thing in again. It might come out better - my OpenBook does a pretty good job, especially with hardcovers and trade paperbacks. It might be more effective timewise than trying to puzzle out garbled text. Hopefully that won't be necessary. I'm a little nervous, this being my first book and all. I hope I do things correctly. By the way, is there a keyboard shortcut for the Copyright symbol? I just used alt-169 at the beginning of the book where it's supposed to be, but I was wondering if there is a keyboard combination for that? Just curious. I also subscribed to the volunteer discussion list. I was a little intimidated at first by the 50 messages per day figure cited on the website, but I figure that it may not be as bad as all that; it isn't as though I have to read all of them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/253 - Release Date: 2/7/2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/252 - Release Date: 2/6/2006