[bookshare-discuss] Re: Just Downloaded My First Book for Validation
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- Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:30:21 -0500 (EST)
Ah, Cindy that is because I am well Lazy, and it is the last thing I scan,
smile.
Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
and Judson, guiding golden
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 2:38 AM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Just Downloaded My First Book for
Validation
As you say, Evan, it is a matter of choice. Bookshare
says we don't have to put that material in, and many
people don't. I put everything--front flap info, back
flap info, back cover info, in front of the title.
Shelley likes to put it at the end of the book. I
recently validated a book where she put the summary at
the end, and I moved it to the front, since it didn't
make sense to me that after having read the book the
person would read the summary. Sorry Shelley--smile.
Pages that are at the end of the book, like info about
the author, I leave there, but if author info is on
the flap or the back of the book I put it first.
HTH
Cindy
--- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Yah, I'm responding to my own message. <smile>
> More of an addendum, really.
>
> I understand that we are to reproduce the paper
> version as closely as possible, but where to put
> information from the dust jacket is somewhat of a
> judgment call, since - if we were to take this
> reproduction totally literally, for hardcovers we
> would put the information on the front half of the
> dust jacket before the title page, and the
> information on the back half of the dust jacket at
> the end of the book. I don't think anyone would
> agree with that procedure. For paperbacks,
> reproducing the paper version exactly would entail
> putting the information on the dust jacket at the
> end of the book, since paperbacks generally put that
> stuff on the back of the book.
>
> So recognizing that where to put the information
> from the dust jacket is at least somewhat of a
> judgment call, and that probably most people would
> like to read that information somewhere close to the
> beginning of the book, and that reproducing the book
> exactly isn't really sensible in this case, it seems
> most reasonable to put it after the title page and
> after the copyright information - assuming it is
> after the title page - or wherever it is, but
> probably before the information on the dust jacket.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Evan Reese
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:05 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Just Downloaded
> My First Book for Validation
>
>
> I understand that, which is why I moved it. It
> was not after the title page, but after the
> information on the dust jacket; so I would think
> that my moving the copyright information actually
> gives the more accurate reproduction of the original
> book, since it is now after the title page.
>
> Information from the dust jacket is never
> positioned after the title page. And while I do not
> have the copy that was submitted, I do have a
> paperback version, and I know that in the submitted
> book the information after the title and author is
> information from the dust jacket, which is not
> what's on the page after the title page. Even if -
> almost certainly - that book is laid out
> differently, the information from the dust jacket
> would not follow the title page.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jake Brownell
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:47 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Just Downloaded
> My First Book for Validation
>
>
> Hi Evan,
> Don't forget that our job is to reproduce
> the books in a manner as they were intended in
> print. So you shouldn't be moving the copyright
> information because that would be changing the
> format. Generally copyright information is on the
> page following the main title page, but it has been
> known to be located in different places.
>
> HTH,
> Jake
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Evan Reese
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:15 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Just
> Downloaded My First Book for Validation
>
>
> Actually, it may not be as bad as I had at
> first thought. There are quite a lot of errors in
> the preliminaries, but after the book actually
> starts, things seem to improve.
>
> Also, I was wrong about the copyright
> information not being present. He put it after the
> dust jacket material and I skipped past it on my
> first lookover. I expected it to be right after the
> title and author - where NLS puts it and where I put
> it when I scan stuff. It just seems more logical to
> put it there, so I have moved the copyright notice
> up to the top just after the title and author. I
> think this is a good practice for people in general
> so the validator doesn't have to go looking for it.
>
> I also should have cut him a little more
> slack, as there is a geneological chart at the
> beginning of the book with lines going hither and
> yon from ancestors to descendants. No scanner could
> be expected to get that straight, and some of the
> print is also quite small. My perfectionism may
> have to just take a vacation because I don't think I
> can sort this out either. I may have to just leave
> it as it is, regretably.
>
> I do have a couple of questions, but I'm going
> to submit them over at the other list. Still, I
> don't think a rescan will be needed after all.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jill O'Connell
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:02 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Just
> Downloaded My First Book for Validation
>
>
> Don't be intimidated; we all had to start
> somewhere and you can always ask questions. If you
> agree early on that the quality is only fair, you
> will probably be better off rescanning; that has
> usually been my experience. If this is the case, you
> might consider rejecting the book and letting
> Bookshare know that you are rescanning; that way you
> will get the extra submission credit that you
> deserve. Jill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Evan Reese
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:04 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Just
> Downloaded My First Book for Validation
>
>
> I just downloaded my first book for
> validation. It's _In The Ruins_ by Kate Elliott,
> Crown of Stars Volume 6. It was submitted on
> November 17, so it's been up there for a while. The
> submitter put it in the Fair category, and by the
> looks of things, that's about right. I've noticed
> quite a few errors just in the first few pages.
> Also, the copyright information was not provided, so
> I put that in.
>
> I'm picking up a paper copy this afternoon
> from a local bookstore. If it had been categorized
> as excellent, I might not have bothered, but I might
> have gotten one anyway - preferably from my local
> library - but they didn't have one. I would prefer
> to have a paper copy in case there's a scanning
> error that I can't figure out. I have an Optacon,
> so I at least don't have to ask someone sighted
> what's on the page if I run into trouble. I've been
> wanting to read this book since it came out last
> August, though, so I'm going to read right through
> it.
>
> However, if the errors are too many and
> too egregious, I just may scan the whole thing in
> again. It might come out better - my OpenBook does
> a pretty good job, especially with hardcovers and
> trade paperbacks. It might be more effective
> timewise than trying to puzzle out garbled text.
> Hopefully that won't be necessary.
>
> I'm a little nervous, this being my first
> book and all. I hope I do things correctly.
>
> By the way, is there a keyboard shortcut
> for the Copyright symbol? I just used alt-169 at
> the beginning of the book where it's supposed to be,
> but I was wondering if there is a keyboard
> combination for that? Just curious.
>
> I also subscribed to the volunteer
> discussion list. I was a little intimidated at
> first by the 50 messages per day figure cited on the
> website, but I figure that it may not be as bad as
> all that; it isn't as though I have to read all of
> them.
>
>
>
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