Have you read Before the Dawn? I validated it and found it fascinating. I'm not sure if it would be evolutionary biology or evolutionary something else. I guess I'm fortunate in that when I proofread I can concentrate on the content and fix scanning errors while I'm reading, but I have come to the conclusion that women's minds and men's are different that way. t seems to me that women can do wo things involving the mind at once where as men seem to be single-tracked. Cindy --- Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx wrote: > Okay, on this one the subject of the book may be off > topic, but the message > is about a book which is a potential scan for > Bookshare so I don't think this > could be considered too far off topic. I am > interested in evolutionary biology, > but I do not necessarily keep up with the dates that > various discoveries were > made or theories and hypotheses were advanced. > However, if this book was > published in 1970 I have my doubts that we are > talking about the Burgess of the > Burgess shale fame. After all, it was not too long > after that that Gould > published his punctuated equilibrium. On the other > hand, though, I don't know when > the Burgess shale was named or how long Burgess > continued to work or live. If > this book especially concerns the Cambrian explosian > it would increase the > chance that it was the same person considerably. If > you get it on Bookshare I will > be interested in reading it. I don't think I would > want to proofread it, > though, unless it hung around on the download list > for a long time. When it comes > to a book like that I prefer to concentrate on the > content rather than on > looking for scanning errors. > > table with 2 columns and 6 rows > Subj: > [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll > - smile > Date: > 1/24/2009 11:58:20 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: > guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx > Reply-to: > bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: > bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent from the Internet > (Details) > table end > > Not sure if this is the same Burgess. I think the > 1st edition was 1970. It > is a reasonably exhaustive resource for the > collector. From a scientific > point > of view it seems to straddle the fence between the > old taxonomical orthodoxy > based on conchilial morphology and more recent > approaches. It's going to > be a real bear to scan. . . When I used it as a > reference in the '70s it was > a sizable tome of a hardbook full of population > distribution maps and color > plates. It may have been reissued under a new > edition. . . I hope so, > because the color photos all bore a slightly sickly > greenish tinge that could make > specimen identification a trial > sometimes. > If anyone decides to scannit, be prepared. . . it's > going to be a labour of > editing love. > > G. > > Guido Dante Corona > IBM Research, > Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) > Austin Tx. > Phone: (512) 286-5794 > Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx > Web: > http://www.ibm.com/able > > 'there is nothing worse than a sharp image of a > fuzzy concept' > Ansel Adams > > Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx > Sent by: > > 01/23/2009 09:33 PM > > Please respond to > bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > table with 2 columns and 3 rows > To > > bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > cc > > Subject > > [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll > - smile > table end > > I am not in the mood to check bibliographies right > now, so let me ask. Does > my memory fail me or is that one of the works that S > Gould drew on heavily in > formulating his theory of punctuated equilibrium? > Whether it is or not, as a > Gould fan, I would be interested in reading it > myself. It is definitely one > I have not read. Presumably that is the same Burgess > of Burgess shale fame? > Do you know when it was published? > > table with 2 columns and 6 rows > Subj: > [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll > - smile > Date: > 1/23/2009 9:13:07 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: > guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx > Reply-to: > bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: > bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent from the Internet > (Details) > table end > > Thank you Monica, if you ever became infatuated as > I am with the Cowrie > genus, please scan and submit to Bookshare > > The Living Cowries -- by C. M. Burgess > > It is, in fact, a somewhat dated if excellent book > on the subject. Yet, > passionate arguments on the problem of regional > population variants versus > subspeciation > in the all too variable C. arabicula. -- while > fascinating and valuable > amongst evolutionary biologists and malacologists -- > would exceed the scope of > topical discussions on this board. Besides, > discussion of certain details of > Cowrie anatomy may even be found offensive to the > sensitivities of some non > initiates. > > (smiles!) > > G. > > > Guido Dante Corona > IBM Research, > Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) > Austin Tx. > Phone: (512) 286-5794 > Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx > Web: > http://www.ibm.com/able > > 'there is nothing worse than a sharp image of a > fuzzy concept' > Ansel Adams > > Monica Willyard > Sent by: > > 01/23/2009 07:51 PM > > Please respond to > bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > table with 2 columns and 3 rows > To > > <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > cc > > Subject > > [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll > - smile > table end > > Guido, thanks for giving me something to smile > about. Your explanation > wonderfully surpasses anything I might have written. > > > Monica Willyard > "The best way to predict the future is to create > it." -- Peter Drucker > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > From: Guido Corona [ > mailto:guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:49 PM > To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed > The Troll - smile > > Roger, the only issue is that the entire topic is > out of bound to the > subject of this list. In the same way, my opinions > on matters that may be of > passionate > interest to me, such as the geographic distribution > and speciation of Cyprea > arabicula, whether or not zapping a conductor with 1 > million volts in a Tessla > device can be deemed Quantum Tunnelling, or the > contestation of the age of > the cretacean Iridium boundary, are all irrelevant > to this board. Whether > or not I can find friendly or opposing views to my > extremely strong > opinions on such topics, I would still be out of > order, unless I were to ask > bookshare-related > questions such as. . . > > Are there bookshare books that can help me to > research patterns of speciation > in isolated populations of C. arabicula? > > Saluti, Guido > > Guido Dante Corona > IBM Research, > Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) > Austin Tx. > Phone: (512) 286-5794 > Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx > Web: > http://www.ibm.com/able > > 'there is nothing worse than a sharp image of a > fuzzy concept' > Ansel Adams > > Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx > Sent by: > > 01/23/2009 03:17 PM > > Please respond to > bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > table with 2 columns and 3 rows > To > > bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > cc > > Subject > > [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll > - smile > table end > > > > Believe it or not, people who have different > opinions than yours are not > necessarily angry and bitter. If you think you have > gotten to know an imaginary > being you might have a hard time understanding that, > but it is true. I think > you will also find it much more liberating to form > your opinions by basing > them on objective reality rather than unfounded > assumptions. That way you > will not presume to know anything about another > person's experiences without > even knowing that person. Believe me, seeking and > finding truth is an > extremely gratifying thing to do and has to beat > just claiming something to be the > truth without even trying to test it against > reality. > > table with 2 columns and 6 rows > Subj: > > [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll > - smile > Date: > 1/23/2009 1:27:04 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: > shirleytracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Reply-to: > bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: > bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent from the Internet > (Details) > table end > > Roger, > > I'm sorry that you have had such a bad experience > with religion that you > have become angry and bitter. As for me, coming to > know God was what freed me > from the confines of "Religion." You see, I believe > there is a big > difference. Now, if you were not so angry, you would > not have responded to the notice > about the Christian book thing. I didn't respond to > a notice about fantasy > books, even though I'm not particularly interested > in them. > > Your quick response tells me you're still > hurting--and for that I am really > sorry. > > Shirley > > P.S. I didn't remove my name from the list because > others of you out there > have had some interesting things to say. I seldom > jump in, but I am learning > a lot > > block quote > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx > > To: > bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:50 AM > > Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed > The Troll - smile > > Your point is quite legitimate. It is interesting > that those who object to > the pot being stirred are at the same time > vigorously stirring the pot. It is > as simple as this. If I am looking at a message that > I have a response to > then, like anyone else, I respond to it. In the > process of making those responses > I am bound to express my opinions. If you don't like > those opinions -- and I > am using the universal you here -- then, really, > honestly, think about it, > that really is just tough shit. The plain fact is > that there are a lot of > people in this world whose opinions you are not > going to like and if you open > your mind enough to accept that then I guarantee > that you will be a lot > happier. Opening your mind may run counter to what > you have been taught in church, > but churches, despite what they might say, are in > the business of controlling > you, not ensuring your personal happiness. I will > also point out that even > though I have never been a believer myself I have > known any number of > atheists who were former religionists and their > stories are very similar. The story > is always one of accumulating doubts and discomfort > with their upbringing and > that is usually rather sad, but the part where they > put their upbringing > behind them and finally break with religion is an > entirely different matter. > They always describe it as the most liberating > experience in their lives and > one of the most liberating parts is that they can > finally disagree with > others without feeling a self destructive gnawing > hatred inside. It still remains, > though, that if you have not had that liberating > experience and it upsets you > so much to hear an opinion that is different from > your own you can minimize > exposure to those opinions by not denigrating them > and thereby provoking the > person with the different opinion to respond to you. > > table with 2 columns and 6 rows > Subj: > [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed The Troll > - smile > Date: > 1/23/2009 6:09:00 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: > dhubb100@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Reply-to: > bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: > bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent from the Internet > (Details) > table end > > I'mnew to thislist but it seems to me that if people > don't react the pot in > effect hasn't been stired. And, this really doesn't > help any of us who need > help or want to discuss Bookshare right? > > -Diane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:18 PM > Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Please Don't Feed > The Troll - smile > > > It is interesting, isn't it? Most discussion > lists get a person who > > trolls, sooner or later. Usually the list manager > puts a troll on > > moderate so that they don't get the opportunity to > constantly stir up the > > pot. Since Bookshare hasn't ever assigned an > active list manager to this > > list, as far as I've ever seen, the only way left > for the list members to > > handle a troll is to ignore the posts made by that > individual every time > > they begin trolling. smile. > > > > Judy s. > > > > Cindy Rosenthal wrote: > >> Thanks, Judy. That's really interesting. I'd > never > >> heard that term before. > >> smile > >> > >> Cindy > >> > >> --- "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >>> Cindy, Sharon and Patti, Roger is trolling every > >>> time someone posts regarding Christianity, and > has done so since > >>> he came on the list. > >>> > >>> If you're not familiar with the term "troll" or > >>> "internet troll," here's a definition from > Wikipedia: > >>> > >>> "An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet > >>> slang, is someone who posts controversial, > inflammatory, irrelevant or > >>> off-topic messages in an online community, such > as an online > >>> discussion forum or chat room, with the > intention of provoking > >>> other users into an emotional response or to > generally disrupt > >>> normal on-topic discussion" > >>> > >>> The best way to handle trolling (again I'll > quote > >>> from Wikipedia, as they put it well) is simple: > "Do not feed the > >>> troll." You'll find that abbreviated as > "D-N-F-T" or "D-F-T-T" in > >>> Internet slang. > >>> > >>> Put simply: you'll drive yourself crazy by > getting > >>> sucked into a discussion with someone who is > trolling. Consider > >>> just ignoring a troll's posts when he or she is > trolling. Provoking a > >>> response is what a troll enjoys. Roger himself > has posted > >>> here that he loves to stir things up just for > the fun he gets out > >>> of it. grin. > >>> > >>> Judy s. > >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank > Email to > >>> > >>> bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> Put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > >>> Subject line. 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