[bookshare-discuss] Re: Ellipses and em-dashes
- From: "Gary Petraccaro" <garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 01:33:11 -0400
Amen to that. Btw, isn't an m-dash represented by two dashes in braille?
Is there any reason not to replace a long-dash with two standard hyphens?
Sorry, have not been paying too close attention to this list or this
particular thread.
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From: "Guido Corona" <guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 8:48 AM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Ellipses and em-dashes
> You are correct. Neither my way nor yours are necessarily the best ones.
> On the other hand, if you consider that we are creating documents for
> paying customers, we should strive to offer them the best possible
> product, which applies to the widest possible audience.
> Whether you use Kurzweil, Openbook or Acme's OCR I do not really care.
> What I care Is that the final product is of the highest possible quality
> and is as close as possible to the body-text of the original. That
> includes maintaining such characters as long-dashes intact if at all
> possible, and font changes as well.
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> Guido
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> Did you know Guido your way is not always the best way and we don't even
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> *smile* Did somebody make you God anyway? Sorry others listers and Dr.
> Peter; sometimes my mouth and typing fingers are like a free bleeder.
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> From: "Guido Corona" <guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:27 PM
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>> If you use Kurzweil 1000 long dashes are kept. PLEASE do not replace
> long
>> dashes with anything else.
>> Only downlevel versions of Openbook massacre long dashes. Please update
>> your OpenBook to the latest version or use Kurzweil. A long dash is a
>> character entity encoded by a short series of bytes: it will survive in
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>> text file.
>> Italics are a different kettle of fish and survive only in RTF, KES, or
>> other marked up format. But once again, do not remove or change to
>> something else. Just retain as RTF and submit the RTF file to
> Bookshare.
>> In general, we should not degrade the body content of the document if
> at
>> all possible.
>> Guido
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>> Cindy,
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>> I am not trying to split hairs but just need a little clarification on
>> something.
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>> In the post you made, wich I left atached, you make mention of
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>> called an en dash, and an m dash.
>> Is this something different or was that a typo?
>> Like I said not trying to split hairs but I just learned about the M
> dash
>> and this EN dash has me a little confused.
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>> I'm sorry, and apologise if I am pestering but, I am lost and never was
>> much
>> good at punctuation.
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>> Thanks for the time,
>> Shannon
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>> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
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>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:27 PM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Ellipses and em-dashes
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>> > I'm glad I read more posts before explaining the
>> > difference between ellipses and em dashes. Guido did a
>> > very good job. I'd just like to add a little more to
>> > his explanation -- but before I do, Guido -- the em
>> > dash isn't retained in txt. I'm validating this in
>> > Word in larger font, so I can see it better, but I did
>> > what someone suggested and closed and saved it in the
>> > original txt to see what formatting was kept. The em
>> > dashes, line breaks, and italics all were lost. So I'm
>> > following the same person's suggestion (Kellie or
>> > Jana, I think) and using a doulbe hyphen,with a space
>> > on either side.
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>> > Ellipses are used, as the original poster (Was it
>> > Dave?) said, to show that something has been
>> > eliminated from a quotation. They can also be used to
>> > show that a sentence is unfinished, as opposed to
>> > being interrupted. I don't have any examples of that
>> > in the book I'm doing now, but . . .
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>> > O.K. That was one. I couldn't think of how to finish
>> > the sentence, so I used ellipses. Here's another: As
>> > Mary came downstairs, John said, "Maybe tonight we
>> > could . . . " His voice trailed off as he saw the man
>> > behind her."
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>> > As Guido said, an em dash is a long dash, used to
>> > interrupt a sentence with a different thought,
>> > parenthetical or xplanatory but not necessarily strong
>> > enough to be in parentheses. Here is an example from
>> > the book I;m validating: "She gave a tiny laugh (em
>> > dash) a nervous one, he thought (em dash) when it
>> > took a minute for their strides to coordinate . . ."
>> > (Here the ellipsis is because I'm not finishing the
>> > sentence). Another examaple: "Daph (em dash)"
>> > Another person interrupts: "I know." Here the em dash
>> > shows that the person who was speaking was interrupted
>> > rather than that he lost his train of thought.
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>> > I admit that since en dashes are used so rarely, I
>> > can't think at the moment of why one would be used
>> > instead of an em-dash except for poetic effect, which
>> > is why I think it was used in Silk.
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>> > I hope this explanation isn't too long-winded or
>> > doesn't repeat anything anyone has already written
>> > that I haven't yet seen. And that it clarifies the
>> > differences. As Guido says, and as you all know, a
>> > hyphen connects compound words or breaks words at ends
>> > of sentences when they don't fit on a line. But those
>> > we close. Unfortunately, sometimes, as with the book
>> > I've validating, scanners, and maybe validators, sue a
>> > global replace to eliminate all hyphens and that
>> > results in their being eliminated where they sometimes
>> > belong.
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>> > Cindy
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