[bookshare-discuss] Re: Ellipses and em-dashes
- From: "Dinky" <dinky88@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:42:57 -0400
Relax, Guido. You'll live longer and be stronger; even if you are the
technocrat authority. I'm still me,
Dinky*smile*
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guido Corona" <guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 8:48 AM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Ellipses and em-dashes
> You are correct. Neither my way nor yours are necessarily the best ones.
> On the other hand, if you consider that we are creating documents for
> paying customers, we should strive to offer them the best possible
> product, which applies to the widest possible audience.
> Whether you use Kurzweil, Openbook or Acme's OCR I do not really care.
> What I care Is that the final product is of the highest possible quality
> and is as close as possible to the body-text of the original. That
> includes maintaining such characters as long-dashes intact if at all
> possible, and font changes as well.
>
> Guido
> Guido D. Corona
> IBM Accessibility Center, Austin Tx.
> IBM Research,
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> Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> Did you know Guido your way is not always the best way and we don't even
> have to take the highway if we do not use your way or K1K? Hey. hey.
> *smile* Did somebody make you God anyway? Sorry others listers and Dr.
> Peter; sometimes my mouth and typing fingers are like a free bleeder.
> Dinky
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> From: "Guido Corona" <guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:27 PM
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> > If you use Kurzweil 1000 long dashes are kept. PLEASE do not replace
> long
> > dashes with anything else.
> > Only downlevel versions of Openbook massacre long dashes. Please update
> > your OpenBook to the latest version or use Kurzweil. A long dash is a
> > character entity encoded by a short series of bytes: it will survive in
> a
> > text file.
> > Italics are a different kettle of fish and survive only in RTF, KES, or
> > other marked up format. But once again, do not remove or change to
> > something else. Just retain as RTF and submit the RTF file to
> Bookshare.
> > In general, we should not degrade the body content of the document if
> at
> > all possible.
> > Guido
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> > Guido D. Corona
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> > IBM Research,
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> > Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> > Cindy,
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> > I am not trying to split hairs but just need a little clarification on
> > something.
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> > In the post you made, wich I left atached, you make mention of
> something
> > called an en dash, and an m dash.
> > Is this something different or was that a typo?
> > Like I said not trying to split hairs but I just learned about the M
> dash
> > and this EN dash has me a little confused.
> >
> > I'm sorry, and apologise if I am pestering but, I am lost and never was
> > much
> > good at punctuation.
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> > Thanks for the time,
> > Shannon
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:27 PM
> > Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Ellipses and em-dashes
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> > > I'm glad I read more posts before explaining the
> > > difference between ellipses and em dashes. Guido did a
> > > very good job. I'd just like to add a little more to
> > > his explanation -- but before I do, Guido -- the em
> > > dash isn't retained in txt. I'm validating this in
> > > Word in larger font, so I can see it better, but I did
> > > what someone suggested and closed and saved it in the
> > > original txt to see what formatting was kept. The em
> > > dashes, line breaks, and italics all were lost. So I'm
> > > following the same person's suggestion (Kellie or
> > > Jana, I think) and using a doulbe hyphen,with a space
> > > on either side.
> > >
> > > Ellipses are used, as the original poster (Was it
> > > Dave?) said, to show that something has been
> > > eliminated from a quotation. They can also be used to
> > > show that a sentence is unfinished, as opposed to
> > > being interrupted. I don't have any examples of that
> > > in the book I'm doing now, but . . .
> > >
> > > O.K. That was one. I couldn't think of how to finish
> > > the sentence, so I used ellipses. Here's another: As
> > > Mary came downstairs, John said, "Maybe tonight we
> > > could . . . " His voice trailed off as he saw the man
> > > behind her."
> > >
> > > As Guido said, an em dash is a long dash, used to
> > > interrupt a sentence with a different thought,
> > > parenthetical or xplanatory but not necessarily strong
> > > enough to be in parentheses. Here is an example from
> > > the book I;m validating: "She gave a tiny laugh (em
> > > dash) a nervous one, he thought (em dash) when it
> > > took a minute for their strides to coordinate . . ."
> > > (Here the ellipsis is because I'm not finishing the
> > > sentence). Another examaple: "Daph (em dash)"
> > > Another person interrupts: "I know." Here the em dash
> > > shows that the person who was speaking was interrupted
> > > rather than that he lost his train of thought.
> > >
> > > I admit that since en dashes are used so rarely, I
> > > can't think at the moment of why one would be used
> > > instead of an em-dash except for poetic effect, which
> > > is why I think it was used in Silk.
> > >
> > > I hope this explanation isn't too long-winded or
> > > doesn't repeat anything anyone has already written
> > > that I haven't yet seen. And that it clarifies the
> > > differences. As Guido says, and as you all know, a
> > > hyphen connects compound words or breaks words at ends
> > > of sentences when they don't fit on a line. But those
> > > we close. Unfortunately, sometimes, as with the book
> > > I've validating, scanners, and maybe validators, sue a
> > > global replace to eliminate all hyphens and that
> > > results in their being eliminated where they sometimes
> > > belong.
> > >
> > > Cindy
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