Hello Rob. Yes, I wondered about the FAT16/32 possibility, and figured that the 2GB limit was imposed by the FAT16 nature of the filesystem, but wrote FAT32 because I couldn't remember at the moment I was writing the message, what the exact size limitation FAT16 imposed. As to the problem itself, I should have noted in my original message that chkdsk does indeed run clean when this problem is encountered. -Brian On Sep 13, 3:44pm, "ROB MEREDITH" wrote: } Subject: [bookport] Re: POSSIBLE FILESYSTEM HANDLING BUG IN BOOKPORT FIRMW } Brian: } } Interesting, though the file system is currently FAT16, not FAT32. } } The way to test your hypothesis is relatively straight forward. If } chkdsk reports the file system as being free of errors, but the Book } Port still has trouble with the card, you may be on to something. } Generally when users have problems, they also have a corrupt file } system, and reformatting fixes both the file system and fragmentation at } once. } } Rob Meredith } } >>> buhrow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 09/13/05 03:36PM >>> } Hello. Let me appologize in advance if this message is not } completely } well formed. I'm still working out the details of what I think might be } a } filesystem handling bug in the Bookport firmware, versions 2.x. It } might } exist in the 1.x versions of firmware as well, but I can't test that. } A number of users on this list have complained recently that } they have } gotten strange error messages when they've tried to access files that } they've transfered to their Bookports. When they recopy the data to } their } Bookports, all is well. I too have experienced something like this, } and believe } I have an understanding of where the problem is, and a possible work } around. } } The Bookport uses flash cards formatted with the FAT32 } filesystem, the } traditional "MS-DOS" filesystem which has been used, with little } modification by OS's from Microsoft since DOS 2.x. You might say it } has } become the de facto lingua franca for portably allowing non-Windows } devices } to interoperate with the Windows operating system. (Windows now uses } NTFS } by default, but it continues to support the FAT16 and FAT32 filesystem } formats, and many people continue to choose to use this format, } precisely } because it is understood by so many different devices and fixit } programs.) } } As part of its operation, Bookport writes little"placeholder" } files on } the flash card, which it uses to "remember" where you were in a file, } and } which file you were last reading. These files are updated when ever } you do } things like press the reading key to stop and start the Bookport, or } press } the * and # keys to select a new file to read. } } When files are deleted from the FAT32 filesystem, the first } character } of their names are changed to a "?", and the blocks associated with } their } contents are marked as free. When new files are added, their names } are } filled in in the first available location in the directory in which } the } file is placed. This slot can either be a completely unused slot, i.e. } one } which has never been used before, or it can be one which was } previously } used by a now deleted file. As time goes by, and a filesystem is used } more } and more, the number of free directory entries which contain the } remains of } former files goes up and up. } } What I have found is that if I add files to the Bookport, then } delete } different files from the Bookport, the likelihood that I will be unable } to } access one or more of the files I added when the Bookport is } disconnected } from the host computer goes up. On the other hand, if I first make my } deletions, then add my files, I can be reasonably sure all will work } fine. } This is where I become somewhat confused. My Theory is that } Bookport } does not like a lot of gaps in its directories. When it tries to } create } its placeholder file the first time a user accesses a newly added file } in } stand-alone mode, it becomes confused about where it should place the } file } in the directory. When this happens to me, I get the message: FS } write } error, unable to allocate P R O J structures, repeated three times, } folowed } by the message: application write error. Sometimes with MP3 files, I } get } the message: Audio file read error. } My guess is that this problem is related to the problem Linette } has } been having, although she has been getting different error messages. } But } then, she's running a newer version of firmware than I am, and it could } be } that that makes a difference too. } } So, to summarize, I believe there may be a problem in the } Bookport's } onboard filesystem code, where if a user adds a bunch of files to a } flash } card, then deletes some files, some of the newly added files will be } inaccessible to the Bookport once it is running in stand-alone mode. } I } believe this can be worked around by assuring that if a user makes any } deletions desired from the card before adding things to the card. } However, } if this really is a bug with the filesystem handling code in the } Bookport, } then it should be found and fixed, or, over time, every flash card } that } gets used by active readers, will eventually display this behavior so } often, that users will be forced to reformat their flash cards } regularly to } get them working again. } } If I'm completely off base here, please let me know. } -Brian } } } >-- End of excerpt from "ROB MEREDITH"