Bookport Friends, My professional life was involved primarily with deaf clients. You may take my remarks as valid or not, because I've been blind for only 4 years. However, I have felt that many people from both groups adopt a "bictim" attitude. I have actually seen members of both groups decline participation in research projects, because they felt they were being "used" by the researchers and thus should be paid for their participation. Folks, wake up; they're trying to help us. The reality in our society is that consumer products, both hardware and software must support themselves financially. Most consumer products are produced for use by hundreds of thousands of people. The consumer groups of the deaf and blind are miniscule compared to those of most consumer groups. Because of the small numbers of consumers, the manufacturers of assistive devices must be very conscious of keeping product development costs low. It is wonderful to be able to communicate with the developers of these products and to provide then with wish lists. However, to assume that they are not looking out for the needs of the group, or are being stingy because of the bottom line is unfair. There are many adaptations of products that we can easily make our selves, thus allowing producers to keep their bottom lines in the black and enabling them to continue to develop and produce assistive devices for our use As I mentioned, my period as an end user of assistive devices began only 4 years ago. Perhaps, because of this, you may feel my remarks are invalid. However, I had a similar experience when I was on the other side, providing and producing assistive materials. As a user, I am thrilled and amazed at what is available and the plans for future assisted devices. I applaud the producers of devices for their dedication and ingenuity. Keep up the good work. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: bookport-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bookport-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of LARRY SKUTCHAN Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:06 AM To: bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; anthony.gough@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bookport] Re: My suggestion about tactile markings Of course companies should make efforts to make products accessible. In the case of earbuds, however, APH made the call that the expense required to manufacture earbuds with indicators was not justified. For one thing, the low quantities would make the price unbearable. Sony makes some good buds that make it easy to distinguish left from right, or the user can easily put a mark on one of the existing buds. >>> anthony.gough@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Friday, September 01, 2006 5:40:42 AM >>> So what you are saying is companies should make absolutely no effort to make products more user friendly for people who can't see, I know I could do the labels my self but why should I have to The product is supposed to have been designed for people who can't see this is also reflected in the price that people pay for it it costs more because it is specially designed for people who are blind. If it was a cheap mp3 player I would agree with you but it isn't. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: David Allen To: bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:13 AM Subject: [bookport] Re: My suggestion about tactile markings Hi Anthony and list: Regarding your suggestion about adapting earbuds, I'll share a bit of experience with you. Several months ago, I followed advice of several audiologists and purchased a set of hearing aids. In case some reading this are not aware, hearing aids require the use of an earmould, which is custom made to fit the person's ear. It is physically impossible to put the wrong aid into the wrong ear. Believe it or not, while you may have two ears, they are not enough alike to allow you to even attempt using the right aid in the left ear or vice versa. I needed a way of easily being able to know which aid was which so I wouldn't try to do the impossible. Each aid comes with it's own case. So I made small dymo labels L and R to attach to the cases. The point that I'm making here is that I didn't expect nor ask my audiologist, professional though he may be, to solve my problem. After all, it wasn't his problem, it was mine. I took charge of that problem and applied a reasonable solution that worked. Similar means could easily be found for "marking" earbuds to your liking. Please give it some consideration. Cheers, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony To: bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 8:38 PM Subject: [bookport] My suggestion about tactile markings My point about the headphones was not that people didn't like them or found them difficult to use, it is about aph and good design of equipment for people who can't see. Both the headphones and batteries can be used the wrong way round and as this equipment is designed for people who can't see the print markings on the headphones or the symbols in the battery compartment surely aph should have have had enough experience to have thought about this issue and got it right. Also external speaker The belt clip might not be such a good idea but I don't want to use speakers from radio shack as someone suggested basically because I don't want lots of extra wires all over the place. There are times when the unit being equiped with a speaker might be of use. I came across a device called a griffin for an apple ipod, if you don't know what it is basically it is a small box with a 3.5 hack sticking out of the bottom of it and it sits on top of the ipod, it makes the unit a bit longer. I haven't tried one as I don't have an ipod but I would think aph could design something similar that when installed would look as if it was part of the bookport, they could either put a dummy usb plug to stop the speaker more stability or put a real usb plug with a socket in the top of the box so you could still plug in the usb cable with the speaker atached. Anthony