It is not true that you must use AudibleManager to download. I download all the time from Audible and _never_ use AudibleManager. I download directly from the My Library page on Audible.com. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doc" <talmidim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 5:47 AM Subject: [bookport] Re: Audible.com problems thanks for the information. downloading other than with the auduible manager never occurred to me.