Ok, went ahead and downloaded the install package via blindSea, and installed it over my installation of 5.0, and this also meant could go back to UK english voice (have had a few guys asking me about that one as well <smile>). After installation completed, the phone beeped, and then just shut up and wouldn't talk, but was fine once I restarted it. Anyway when went into talks app/configuration using talks key followed by *, after restarting phone, under options menu, under registration, I selected restore registration, and around a minute or two later it told me I had successfully activated the product registration - it handles this by sending a message to some or other controlling server. I will make sure it doesn't do something like stop talking after 10 minutes like it would generally do in demo mode, and that it doesn't stop working after 10 days, along the lines of the other demo mode, but it seems alright, and apart from the british voice, which I prefer since it's a little bit better at pronouncing some things, the only thing have tested so far is that it will in fact now read things on the screen of ovi maps, including current location, etc. I honestly don't know exactly which versions of talks you are actually allowed to upgrade from, and am pretty sure I didn't have premium since just got it via vodacom, but the following is a small extraction from the release notes text file: --- Version 5.20 is a free upgrade for all Premium Edition licenses generated after November 13th, 2007 (the release date of TALKS 3.50 for 3rd Edition). In particular, this means that it can be installed by any customer who is currently able to run version 4.11 or 5.01 without requiring a new license. --- I did previously have version 5.00.3 on my N86 FWIW, but anyway. It also includes the install file for daisy2go, but this won't work on my phone since I don't have the premium version of talks - tried it and it told me so. Will lastly provide you the link for the page on which I got the download link, but, I am not going to tell anyone they should/should not try this since, quite possible my phone will just stop talking sometime soon, and I would then have to get some sighted help to then uninstall talks, and then try reinstall the original version, etc., but I am trying my luck...LOL! The link for that page is: http://www.blindsea.com/content/mobile-screen-readers On that page, I chose the link labeled as follows: Latest version of talks version 5.20.3 It then downloaded the zip file with everything in it, including language install files for both us and british english eloquence engines, talks install file, manuals etc. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' ----- Original Message ----- From: Jacob Kruger To: NAPSA Blind Cc: BlindZA Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: [blindza] Talks v5.2 released Apparently it's just been released, and it's apparently a lot better with things like ovi maps, etc. Just wondering what other/older versions would be allowed to do a free upgrade, since my N86 has v5.00.3 on it. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'