[blindeudora] Re: Eudora crashing during message delete

Vaughan Dodd <vdodd@xxxxxxxxxx> · Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:11:28 +1300

At 10:26 a.m. 11/11/2004, Robert R. Matti wrote:
>          I have used Eudora for many years , it seems F S is not & never
>has been concerned if Jaws really supports Eudora.
>It also seems to me that Qualcom doesn't really care if any blind people
>use Eudora.
>The above is my personal opinion.
>What do the rest of you blind Eudora/Jaws users think?

Have been a very happy Eudora user for six years, keeping my Eudora 
up-to-date and my Window-Eyes screen reader up-to-date.  When I did feel 
inclined to check out Jaws, its interaction with Eudora was very 
unsatisfactory, whereas Window-Eyes has in most part been flawless.  Eudora 
uses many standard functions, which don't require to much work on the part 
of the screen reader developers - in other words - it is more than 90% 
usable by a blind person using a good screen reader.  I think there are 
perhaps three features which I can't make useful to me, but that might be 
my level of skill rather than a screen reader  failure.  I've lost touch 
with how JFW does or doesn't work with Eudora, as i've given up on JFW but 
I would have thought that, given that Eudora is pretty o.k. as it installs 
with plenty of opportunity for the user to configure,  there should not 
really be any problems for JFW.  Perhaps it goes back to basic flaws in 
JFW's design.

As to whether Qualcomm cares about blind users: I have no way of 
knowing.  I do know that people express the view that Qualcomm is paying 
less and less attention to the development of Eudora, but it is still being 
developed.  So: maybe the real issue is how one configures Eudora for each 
set of individual circumstances, with Jaws perhaps being part of the 
problem and maybe this is a just a set of specific unfortunate combinations 
for some people.

Vaughan.

>On Wednesday 11/10/2004, Leonard Salinas said:
> >  still crashes, its a jfw issue that will probably not ever be fixed.
> >
> >on Wednesday 11/10/2004 02:23 PM, Curtis Delzer said:
> >Try using 6.2 just released.
> >
> >
> >
> >Curtis Delzer
> >
> >
> >
> >At 10:15 AM 11/10/2004, you wrote:
> > >Hi all,
> > >I am getting consistant crashes in Eudora v5. I have tried all the
> > >suggested steps like deleting my eudora.ini, renaming the in, out 
> trash and
> > >junk mail boxes.
> > >
> > >I am going to give the steps that I can use to duplicate the crashes.
> > >1. Download mail in eudora. Or, start Eudora and get to a bunch of unread
> > >messages.
> > >
> > >2. Go to one of the mail boxes and hit enter on the message you want to
> > >read.
> > >
> > >3. Use the arrow keys to read the message.
> > >
> > >4. Hit ctrl+d to delete the current message and move to the next message.
> > >
> > >5. Continue with this.
> > >
> > >After about 30 or 40 messages, Eudora will crash. I can stop the 
> crashes if
> > >I enable the Microsoft viewer. However, I prefer having the viewer
> > >disabled. I have tried this on 3 different computers with different
> > >configurations and have had the same problem.
> > >
> > >My system configuration follows.
> > >
> > >as determined by Eudora
> > >----System Information
> > >Platform: Windows 2000
> > >Machine Type: Intel
> > >System Version: 5.00.2195
> > >Processor: 586
> > >Physical RAM Installed: 506604 Kb
> > >Eudora: Version 6.2.0.14
> > >Mode: Paid Mode
> > >Registration #: 7043-9213-5552-3991
> > >MSHTML Version: 6.00
> > >WININET Version: 6.00
> > >jfw version=5.10.383
> > >video card=Intel(R) 82865G Graphics Controller
> > >OS=windows 2000 professional all updates applied
> > >Note:The memory addresses of the crashes is not always the same so it is
> > >hard to pinpoint where the problem is.
> > >
> > >Any one any thoughts? A google search has not helpped nor has a lengthy
> > >session with Qualcomm tech support.
> > >
> > >Pranav
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >Leonard Salinas
> >--
> >"So tell me, just how long have you had this feeling that no one
> >is watching you?" (Christopher Locke: Entropy Gradient Reversals)
> >--
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