Hi john, That helps a lot. This sems like it would solve a lot of problems and make it nice and think. My wife will love the extra spice. From: blindcooks-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindcooks-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jon Rawlings Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:53 AM To: blindcooks@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [blindcooks] Re: a dish I mae and some questions It occurs to me that perhaps what you should do is switch from the microwave to the stovetop for making the entire dish. Brown your ground beef, and add the taco seasoning and water as per the instructions on the packet. Then, put the meat on a plate and set it aside. Place your pan back on the heat, add a tablespoon or two of oil, then cook your onions for three or four minutes. They should just start to brown a bit. Use a bit of salt and pepper, of course, to draw the moisture out of the onions. Add a couple tablespoons of tomato paste, and stir it in well until your onions are done to your liking and the mixture is quite thick. Then, turn off the heat and add your beans and cheese sauce, using the heat from the pan to soften the beans and bring it all together. Add the meat, then pour this into your dish or over your chips, and there you are. The idea is that perhaps the tomato paste in the mixture will thicken up your dip to where you want it to be. As for a homemade cheese sauce, I too am still looking for a recipe that works. The ones I have tried use a roux made from flour and butter, and the sauce comes out too heavy and thick and with less cheese flavor than I want. Someone told me a while back that adding warm heavy cream to melted cheese would be much better, but I don't have proportions for that yet. As for the homemade taco seasoning, that is easy, at least for me. To make mine, I combine 2 teaspoons ground cumin, which I like to toast and grind myself, with a teaspoon or so of chili powder, a half teaspoon of onion powder, a quarter teaspoon of onion powder, about a teaspoon of Mexican oregano, half a teaspoon salt, half a teaspoon pepper, and about three quarters teaspoon cornstarch. When my ground beef is nearly cooked, I add the dry mixture to the meat and mix it for ten or fifteen seconds, then add the three fourths cup water as I would for a packet of taco seasoning, but I also add the juice from a lime in as well. Sometimes I sub part of the chili powder with chipotle powder, but that makes a hotter seasoning, which I don't always want. Hope this helps, Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike and Jenna <mailto:schwaltze@xxxxxxxxx> To: blindcooks@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:blindcooks@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 7:12 AM Subject: [blindcooks] a dish I mae and some questions Hi, I make this dish wich is kind of a rp off of taco bells natcho bell grandae. I fry up some hamburger and and a packet of taco seasoning mix. I will be switching out the store bought mix once I find a recipe for homemade seasoning that I like. In a microwave safe bowl I add 1 can refried beans. I have not tried making these from scratch yet but will be doing this at some point to. I also add a jar of natcho cheese from a jar. I will be replacing this as well when I find a recipe my wife and I like. I microwave it until it is hot. In are microwave it takes about 4 minutes with having to stir it every so often. After the beans and the cheese are cooked together I add the meet and stir. I add some sour cream and some onions and mix some more. This is usually a dip so it is usually served with tostitos. Here is my question and I am pretty sure it is simple and I am missing something. This turns out a bit thin but my wife likes the idea of using this in taco shells. Anyone have any good ideas for thickening this?