Re: finally up on PMN

  • From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:48:14 -0700

Hi Steve,

I'm always all for our doing all we can reasonably to insure our own accessibility, but, alas, most users (blind or sighted) wouldn't or shouldn't be expected to perform the complex Window-Eyes manipulations demonstrated in your podcast in order to have access to PMN or any other web site. JAWS allows graphics labeling in web sites, but this doesn't work on PMN. There just has to be a much happier middle ground in all of this, one that doesn't just simply leave us up the creek without a paddle. Hey, guys, we're talking about audio production and music. These should be areas well within our domain; they shouldn't be taken away from us, too.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: finally up on PMN

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Thanks Jen for your good comments in your last message.  Yes, the
accessibility definition is a good broad point as you say.  I mean, say
you have a hacked up screen with different zones or sections; we used to
create "user windows" that could be switched to or focused.  Note this
was with DOS screen readers like Vocal-Eyes or ASAP.  Now that is easier
with Windows and individual focus.  Sometimes we have to "reclass" a
customized subclass; well, that is doable and often cures many access
problems.  Not all screen readers know how to do this; it is quite easy
actually but I'll bet there are some users out there who don't / can't
or want to learn how to do this.  Without doing the reclass, that
feature remains inaccessible.  The same thing can be said for unlabeled
graphics.  If one could label unclear links on a web page, this would
enhance the accessibility of many web sites.  I think JFW can do this
now but I'm not sure as I don't own the product.  Anyway, my point is
like you said before, what does it take to make something accessible?
how much effort should we put up?  All good questions for sure.  I was
just thinking, what if someone came up with a plug-in of some kind that
could use OCR technology to read these captcha thinggies?  Just think,
if such an animal could be born, all these debates and battles over
visual verification would go away because we could use this little dudad
to read the thing, answer the riddle, and move on and we wouldn't have
to bother the web site owner with that issue again.

Now, to bring this all back on topic,  If we work out these
acfcessibility questions with a joint effort on both sides of the wall,
then we as blind podcasters can play all the podsafe music we want:).
In fact, I'm basically ready to do just that right now and just fix
things up along the way.

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