Gary, You are close, the Icon costs $1395.----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wood" <k8hlx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM Subject: Re: blindcasting Digest V3 #60
I heard that the Icons cost way more than that, around $1,500!----- Original Message ----- From: "JardataMailServicesBox" <jardatamailservices@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "blindcasting digest users" <ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: Re: blindcasting Digest V3 #60Yes, I too like the old decktalk and eleq voices. I have just purchased an 8525 PDA (it was a Cngular 8525 when I got it back in January from the Cingular/att store). I have tried MSP for one month and really like it. I too tried to install a trial version of Pocket Hall and it did something to my Os and I had to take it back to ATT to get it reinstalled. I don't know what happened. Anyway, I think I'll get the MSP now, as it seems to do what I look.I would, however, like to know how to install and use the Stowaway keyboard. I got one from JR music, but never have been able to use. I finally learned how to connect a bluetooth headset. I use a one-ear one; however, I'd like to use a stereo ()two-ear) set. What are some good ones?Anyway, the one thing about these phone/pda screen readers is the big price. I payed around $400 - $50 rebate for my phone and, the last I looked, MSP cost around $599, much more than the phone. I know those Code Factory people have to make money, but couldn't they do something about the phone. I could buy a notebook for that price. Anyway, despite the price, it is good, but I must save up a little to get it.Anyway, thanks very much or your info on this product.James Robinson----- Original Message ----- From: "FreeLists Mailing List Manager" <ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: "blindcasting digest users" <ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:31 PM Subject: blindcasting Digest V3 #60blindcasting Digest Sun, 27 May 2007 Volume: 03 Issue: 060 In This Issue: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky! Latest podcast, trying again. RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky! RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jerry" <jerry.mader@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky! Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 07:34:26 -0400I remember being scared, (when i was 3 years old) of a friend of mine's speach synthesiser, that was used because he wasn't able to use his normal vocal cords, and it sounded the same way the echo sounded back in those days.After i found out it wasn't gonna hurt me, i was fine with it lol. But i didn't know where the obnoctious voice was coming from. Brings back lots and lots of memories. Jerry----- Original Message ----- From: Gary WoodTo: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!I also remember the low quality of synthesized speech back in those days. I also had an Apple 2E in the 80s! ----- Original Message ----- From: Chip JohnsonTo: Marquette, EdCc: Vincent Mistretta ; Victor Tsaran ; Deanne Fernandez ; Shane Jackson ; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Geoff Stephens ; blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!I'm with you. First PC was an 8088 with two floppies and no HD using Sonix TTS and Artic Vision. I did however have a lightning-fast 1200 baud modem but had to make due with BBSes cause there was no Internet. Anyway, Fonix doesn't bother me at all. I think it's great to have access to my cell phone. Thanks for a trip down memory lane.Marquette, Ed wrote: Hello all: Was following the thread about the Fonix voices. This is clearly a generational thing. I'm sure most of you are way too young to remember the Echo (for the Apple II) or the Echo-PC (for the 8088 version of the IBM PC). These, of course, came from the early 80's, and sounded like a robot in an early 50's science fiction movie with a tracheotomy. So, when you get used to that, Fonix sounds like heavenly music. <SMILE> Just thought I'd add perspective. -----Original Message----- From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vincent Mistretta Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:15 AM To: 'Victor Tsaran'; 'Deanne Fernandez'; 'Shane Jackson'; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Geoff Stephens' Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. Just to make a lighter note to this discussion... Has anyone using the Fonix version for US noticed a hint of a Spanish accent to the male voices? I've only tried a couple, but noticed each had a very slight accent not noticed on any other Fonix implementation I have used prior. Vince Mistretta Speak to me on SKYPE -> Skype Name: vin5451 Get Skype at http://www.skype.com Call me at: Cellular: (561)267-7938 -----Original Message----- From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Victor Tsaran Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:32 AM To: Deanne Fernandez; 'Shane Jackson'; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff Stephens Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. Funny that you say that... I am just trying a 30-day license of Mobilespeak on my Nokia N95, since it's the only player in town, and find that all those Akoppelas do not compare to Eloquence. First of all, they are slower, in my opinion, and second, they exagerate speech to much, thus making it difficult to operate the phone. I wonder why Code Factory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS. Regards, Vic --- Deanne Fernandez <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I agree that Eloquence is much easier to understand than the voices offered for MSP or MSS. I am currently using Loquendo Dave for US English. I'm still trying to learn how to put more than one voice on my phone without paying for more than one license. I, too, can't understand certain words, even after reviewing them several times. I haven't yet figured out how to spell words on my motorola Q. I wouldn't mind a slightly slow response time with Eloquence if I could understand the speech better. Sometimes, even when I know what Loquendo Dave is saying, the word still doesn't sound llike an actual word. Deanne----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff StephensTo: 'Shane Jackson' ; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. I have been showing my 8525 to various blind people since I'm a new MSP user and am anxious to let people know how usable and intuitive Code Factory has made these devices. Veteran synthesized speech users as well as newbies agree that the speech makes MSP a less than appealing solution. In fact, many seem to become completely disinterested in all the rest of the demonstration after they hear the Fonix speech. It seems that everybody wants Eloquence. I truly believe Code Factory could sell significantly more copies of MSP if Eloquence was available. I have tried to condition myself to Fonix but I have to admit that it is still difficult for me after a month and a half of use. I'm not very productive with it. I will live with it because I have to do so. I generally use arate of 19. I frequently have to go back and review words I did not understand. I use eloquence at a much faster rate (75 percent of maximum with JAWS for example) and do not have any problem reading at that rate. I have seen arguments on this list about the responsiveness of Fonix. I support those who contend that it is not very responsive. It is difficult to provide support for that argument since there are many factors to consider including the device and the screen reader. How are we to know how responsive Eloquence would be with MSP if we haven't used it? I don't know how to qualify it except to say I suspect it would be bettter. I didn't listen to the entire podcast but skimmed through it and wanted to let you know that the keys above the QWERTY keyboard are the left and right soft keys in case you want to use them in the future. I was forced to do so a couple of weeks ago when the front keyboard on my 8525 stopped working. I have since received a replacement and it is working fine. I have continued the habit of using the soft keys on the QWERTY keyboard when it is open. For a long time I did not realize that those keys were actually keys. I thought they were part of the communication that must occur to let the device know when the keyboard is opened and closed. They are a little awkward to press at first but they work very well. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- -- [Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the "Reply All", rather than the "Reply", option of your email client.] _______________________________________________ msp_mailing list msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing [Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the "Reply All", rather than the "Reply", option of your email client.] _______________________________________________ msp_mailing list msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing [Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the "Reply All", rather than the "Reply", option of your email client.] _______________________________________________ msp_mailing list msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing [Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the "Reply All", rather than the "Reply", option of your email client.] _______________________________________________ msp_mailing list msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing ----------------------------------------------------------------------- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE:This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your cooperation.IRS CIRCULAR 230 DISCLOSURE:Any Federal tax advice contained herein is not written to be used for, and the recipient and any subsequent reader cannot use such advice for, the purpose of avoiding any penalties asserted under the Internal Revenue Code. If the foregoing contains Federal tax advice and is distributed to a person other than the addressee, each additional and subsequent reader hereof is notified that such advice should be considered to have been written to support the promotion or marketing of the transaction or matter addressed herein. In that event, each such reader should seek advice from an independent tax advisor with respect to the transaction or matter addressed herein based on the reader's particular circumstances.-----------------------------------------------------------------------[Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the "Reply All", rather than the "Reply", option of your email client.]_______________________________________________ msp_mailing list msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing -- Chip Johnson, Technology Instructor Colorado Center for the Blind 2233 W Shepperd Av Littleton, CO 80120 Phone: (303)778-1130 Ext.227 Fax: (303)778-1598 E-mail: cjohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------ From: "Shane Jackson" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Latest podcast, trying again. Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 10:30:21 -0500Hey, you all. I've done some tweaking, and feedburner will now download my podcast properly if you're using Juice or Winamp or any other podcatching client. Thanks so much to Scott R for letting me know that he couldn't get it. I couldn't either, Scott, until I did a little adjusting a few minutes ago, and it's working as I write this one. Also, the sound is pretty bad, people. I used SoundForge and had a wonderful thing going. However, I thenopened Goldwave to do some final editing, and it all went downhill fromthere. The compression pre-set that I used totally messed things up, and I didn't realize it until I had already saved the thing. Why? Well it sounds ok to my half-deaf ears using everything but Winamp. I learned the horrible truth when I loaded it up in Winamp, so there you go. Also, this is podcast 34, a fact that I never allude to except for making a wise crack at the verybeginning of the show. Yes, I use all my usual weird sense of humor all through this thing, so get ready. My veteran listeners are used to it.They know I wouldn't hurt a flea, even if that flea uses Goldwave. I knowit is operator error, but Goldwave, which I was trying yet again for theumpteenth time, is gone from my system, again for the umpteenth time. Ok, enough. Listen, enjoy, and criticize. That's what we as blind people do,right? Have fun! Shane Jackson Hoover, Alabama, USA"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof,for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NASB) ------------------------------ From: "M. Taylor" <mktay@xxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky! Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 09:22:10 -0700Does anyone remember the Speakqualizer? It was a hardware synthesizer fromback in the mid 80s. I loved that thing. M*rk -----Original Message----- From: blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:04 PM To: 'Marquette, Ed'; 'Vincent Mistretta'; 'Victor Tsaran'; 'DeanneFernandez'; 'Shane Jackson'; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Geoff Stephens'Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky! Ed, Yes, I sure do remember the Echo, the Cricket, and that horrible Votrax.Despite their sound, I used to use the Echo cranked up to its fastest speedand had no trouble understanding it. Today, many many many years later (grin) I can't stand running speech at full speed because it makes me nervous. (lol) Like you said, even the Fonix Dectalk sounds like heaven compared to what we had back then.In fact, I remember your name from the Apple days. I think you had writtena couple of list programs. I used to write the Prokey macros for ScreenTalk. (smile) --Warmest regards, --Rick Alfaro --rick.alfaro@xxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:04 AM To: Vincent Mistretta; Victor Tsaran; Deanne Fernandez; Shane Jackson; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff Stephens Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky! Hello all: Was following the thread about the Fonix voices. This is clearly a generational thing. I'm sure most of you are way too young to remember the Echo (for the Apple II) or the Echo-PC (for the 8088 version of the IBM PC). These, of course, came from the early 80's, and sounded like a robot in an early 50's science fiction movie with a tracheotomy. So, when you get used to that, Fonix sounds like heavenly music. <SMILE> Just thought I'd add perspective. -----Original Message----- From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vincent Mistretta Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:15 AM To: 'Victor Tsaran'; 'Deanne Fernandez'; 'Shane Jackson'; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Geoff Stephens' Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. Just to make a lighter note to this discussion... Has anyone using the Fonix version for US noticed a hint of a Spanish accent to the male voices? I've only tried a couple, but noticed each had a very slight accent not noticed on any other Fonix implementation I have used prior. Vince Mistretta Speak to me on SKYPE -> Skype Name: vin5451 Get Skype at http://www.skype.com Call me at: Cellular: (561)267-7938 -----Original Message----- From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Victor Tsaran Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:32 AM To: Deanne Fernandez; 'Shane Jackson'; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff Stephens Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. Funny that you say that... I am just trying a 30-day license of Mobilespeak on my Nokia N95, since it's the only player in town, and find that all those Akoppelas do not compare to Eloquence. First of all, they are slower, in my opinion, and second, they exagerate speech to much, thus making it difficult to operate the phone. I wonder why Code Factory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS. Regards, Vic --- Deanne Fernandez <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I agree that Eloquence is much easier to understand than the voices offered for MSP or MSS. I am currently using Loquendo Dave for US English. I'm still trying to learn how to put more than one voice on my phone without paying for more than one license. I, too, can't understand certain words, even after reviewing them several times. I haven't yet figured out how to spell words on my motorola Q. I wouldn't mind a slightly slow response time with Eloquence if I could understand the speech better. Sometimes, even when I know what Loquendo Dave is saying, the word still doesn't sound llike an actual word. Deanne----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff StephensTo: 'Shane Jackson' ; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. I have been showing my 8525 to various blind people since I'm a new MSP user and am anxious to let people know how usable and intuitive Code Factory has made these devices. Veteran synthesized speech users as well as newbies agree that the speech makes MSP a less than appealing solution. In fact, many seem to become completely disinterested in all the rest of the demonstration after they hear the Fonix speech. It seems that everybody wants Eloquence. I truly believe Code Factory could sell significantly more copies of MSP if Eloquence was available. I have tried to condition myself to Fonix but I have to admit that it is still difficult for me after a month and a half of use. I'm notvery productive with it. I will live with it because I have to do so. I generally use arate of 19. I frequently have to go back and review words I did not understand. I use eloquence at a much faster rate (75 percent of maximum with JAWSfor example) and do not have any problem reading at that rate. I have seen arguments on this list about the responsiveness of Fonix. I support those who contend that it is not very responsive. It is difficult to provide support for that argument since there are many factors to consider including the device and the screen reader. How are we to know how responsive Eloquence would be with MSP if we haven't used it? I don't know how to qualify it except to say I suspect it would be bettter. I didn't listen to the entire podcast but skimmed through it and wanted to let you know that the keys above the QWERTY keyboard are theleft and right soft keys in case you want to use them in the future. I was forced to do so a couple of weeks ago when the front keyboard on my 8525 stopped working. I have since received a replacement and it is working fine. I have continued the habit of using the soft keys on the QWERTY keyboard whenit is open. For a long time I did not realize that those keys were actually keys. I thought they were part of the communication that must occur to let the device know when the keyboard is opened and closed. They are a little awkward to press at first but they work very well.------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- --[Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the "Reply All", rather than the "Reply", option of your email client.] _______________________________________________ msp_mailing list msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxhttp://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing> [Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the "Reply All", rather than the "Reply", option of your email client.] _______________________________________________ msp_mailing list msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxhttp://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing[Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the "Reply All", rather than the "Reply", option of your email client.] _______________________________________________ msp_mailing list msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing [Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the "Reply All", rather than the "Reply", option of your email client.] _______________________________________________ msp_mailing list msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing ----------------------------------------------------------------------- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected bylegal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment isprohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. IRS CIRCULAR 230 DISCLOSURE:Any Federal tax advice contained herein is not written to be used for, andthe recipient and any subsequent reader cannot use such advice for, thepurpose of avoiding any penalties asserted under the Internal Revenue Code. If the foregoing contains Federal tax advice and is distributed to a person other than the addressee, each additional and subsequent reader hereof isnotified that such advice should be considered to have been written tosupport the promotion or marketing of the transaction or matter addressedherein. In that event, each such reader should seek advice from anindependent tax advisor with respect to the transaction or matter addressedherein based on the reader's particular circumstances. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the "Reply All", rather than the "Reply", option of your email client.] _______________________________________________ msp_mailing list msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing ------------------------------ From: "M. Taylor" <mktay@xxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 09:27:08 -0700Yes, I like Smart Hal as well except for the fact that is does not work well with Microsoft's Voice Command. I am a huge fan of Voice Command and use itregularly. I informed the tech support people about it at Dolphin.By the way, Windows Mobile 6 comes with Voice Command. There is no need topurchase it separately, anymore. M*rk -----Original Message----- From: blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hamish Mackenzie Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:15 PM To: Silatul Rahim Bin Dahman; Victor Tsaran; Deanne Fernandez; 'Shane Jackson'; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff Stephens Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. Hi AllI would just like to chip in on the eloquence debate. I have a licence forMSS as this was the only player several months back but I was also not really enjoying the voice. I recently trialed Smart Hal which has the eloquence voices and I liked it so much I bought the product. On thebattery life i find i actually get a longer time between charges than withMSS. I also dont get any crashes when coming out of having the keypadlocked nor do i seem to have any random crashes from time to time. Now to keep this a fair comment I would like to point out that MSS is probably a more feature rich product that works slightly better on the web and has moreconfiguration options but the voice was just killing me. Smart Hal works very well with the phone contacts and messaging and I would suggest anyone with a smart phone gives it a go. They offer a 30 day trial as well. I amusing an O2 Graphite by the way. Please dont take this as a direct criticism of MSS which it is not I ammerely pointing out an alternative to people who are having problems with the voice. I would be back to MSS in a flash if they got eloquence as anoption. Cheers for now Hamish----- Original Message ----- From: "Silatul Rahim Bin Dahman" <stncom@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: "Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>; "Deanne Fernandez" <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Shane Jackson'" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>; <msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens" <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.Hi Victor, CodeFactory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS cuz many users wereexperiencing the problem of battery running out too fast. It seemed thatEloquence drains out the battery very fast. I experienced the same problem myself when I was using Mobile Speak on the Symbian Phone about 2 or 3 years ago. There might be other reasons too which only CodeFactory knows why. Regards, Rahim----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>To: "Deanne Fernandez" <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Shane Jackson'" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>; <msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens" <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.Funny that you say that... I am just trying a 30-day license of Mobilespeak on my Nokia N95, since it's the only player in town, and find that all those Akoppelas do not compare to Eloquence. First of all, they are slower, in my opinion, and second, they exagerate speech to much, thus making it difficult to operate the phone. I wonder why Code Factory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS. Regards, Vic --- Deanne Fernandez <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I agree that Eloquence is much easier to understand than the voices offered for MSP or MSS. I am currently using Loquendo Dave for US English. I'm still trying to learn how to put more than one voice on my phone without paying for more than one license. I, too, can't understand certain words, even after reviewing them several times. I haven't yet figured out how to spell words on my motorola Q. I wouldn't mind a slightly slow response time with Eloquence if I could understand the speech better. Sometimes, even when I know what Loquendo Dave is saying, the word still doesn't sound llike an actual word. Deanne----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff StephensTo: 'Shane Jackson' ; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. I have been showing my 8525 to various blind people since I'm a new MSP user and am anxious to let people know how usable and intuitive Code Factory has made these devices. Veteran synthesized speech users as well as newbies agree that the speech makes MSP a less than appealing solution. In fact, many seem to become completely disinterested in all the rest of the demonstration after they hear the Fonix speech. It seems that everybody wants Eloquence. I truly believe Code Factory could sell significantly more copies of MSP if Eloquence was available. I have tried to condition myself to Fonix but I have to admit that it is still difficult for me after a month and a half of use. I'm not very productive with it. I will live with it because I have to do so. I generally use arate of 19. I frequently have to go back and review words I did not understand. I use eloquence at a much faster rate (75 percent of maximum with JAWS for example) and do not have any problem reading at that rate. I have seen arguments on this list about the responsiveness of Fonix. I support those who contend that it is not very responsive. It is difficult to provide support for that argument since there are many factors to consider including the device and the screen reader. How are we to know how responsive Eloquence would be with MSP if we haven't used it? I don't know how to qualify it except to say I suspect it would be bettter. I didn't listen to the entire podcast but skimmed through it and wanted to let you know that the keys above the QWERTY keyboard are the left and right soft keys in case you want to use them in the future. I was forced to do so a couple of weeks ago when the front keyboard on my 8525 stopped working. I have since received a replacement and it is working fine. I have continued the habit of using the soft keys on the QWERTY keyboard when it is open. For a long time I did not realize that those keys were actually keys. I thought they were part of the communication that must occur to let the device know when the keyboard is opened and closed. They are a little awkward to press at first but they work very well.---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --[Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the "Reply All", rather than the "Reply", option of your email client.] _______________________________________________ msp_mailing list msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxhttp://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing> [Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the "Reply All", rather than the "Reply", option of your email client.] _______________________________________________ msp_mailing list msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxhttp://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing[Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the "Reply All",rather than the "Reply", option of your email client.] _______________________________________________ msp_mailing list msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing[Note: If you wish to post your reply to the list, use the "Reply All", rather than the "Reply", option of your email client.] _______________________________________________ msp_mailing list msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.codefactory.es/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.es.msp_mailing------------------------------ From: "M. Taylor" <mktay@xxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky! Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:15:26 -0700 Easy, easy, easy, Scott.There is no need to get rude. I, for one, have enjoyed reading everyone'sopinion on this subject. It does not matter whether or not MSS will incorporate one TTS over another. The important thing is that we are a community of differing opinions. Have a happy day, OK? Most Sincerely, M*rk -----Original Message----- From: blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Rutkowski Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:00 PMTo: David Tanner; MusiqMan; Marquette, Ed; Vincent Mistretta; Victor Tsaran; Deanne Fernandez; Shane Jackson; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff StephensCc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky! Ok firstly all we are fully aware some people like the dectalk ppphonix speech and others like eloquence. Due to scansoft owning the eloquence speech and code factory having to license it from them, it's not going to happen anytime soon if at all. I'll let a code factory staff member answer this one but from what I wastold there will be no more eloquence running on code factory products fornew users.Secondly lets stop the constant bitching and wining concerning dectalk and eloquence speech. Nothing any of us say will change anything so just livewith it folks.If you really want eloquence speech then look at another compeditors productyou all know the 2 compeditors i'm referring too.----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tanner" <david-tanner@xxxxxxxxxxxx>To: "MusiqMan" <eforce4000@xxxxxxxxx>; "Marquette, Ed"<emarquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Vincent Mistretta" <vin5451@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;"Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>; "Deanne Fernandez" <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Shane Jackson" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>; <msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens" <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!Sorry, I'll take Phoenix Dectalk any day before Eloquence, which is slower, more likely to crash, and really boaring compaired to Phoenix Dectalk.----- Original Message ----- From: "MusiqMan" <eforce4000@xxxxxxxxx>To: "Marquette, Ed" <emarquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Vincent Mistretta" <vin5451@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>; "DeanneFernandez" <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Shane Jackson" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>;<msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens" <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!: Yes I am young (28) years old but know very well what your referring towhen: you talk about echo for the apple 2e and GS series. But I would have to : admit eloquence has been available now for quite some time and once youget: use to a better clearer voice you find it kind of difficult to go back. : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Marquette, Ed" <emarquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: To: "Vincent Mistretta" <vin5451@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Victor Tsaran": <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>; "Deanne Fernandez" <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Shane: Jackson" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>; <msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens" : <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx> : Cc: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> : Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:04 AM : Subject: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky! : : : > : > Hello all: : > Was following the thread about the Fonix voices. This is clearly a : > generational thing.: > I'm sure most of you are way too young to remember the Echo (for the: > Apple II) or the Echo-PC (for the 8088 version of the IBM PC).: > These, of course, came from the early 80's, and sounded like a robotin : > an early 50's science fiction movie with a tracheotomy. : > So, when you get used to that, Fonix sounds like heavenly music. : > <SMILE> : > Just thought I'd add perspective. : > : > : > -----Original Message----- : > From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx : > [mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vincent : > Mistretta : > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:15 AM : > To: 'Victor Tsaran'; 'Deanne Fernandez'; 'Shane Jackson'; : > msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Geoff Stephens' : > Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx : > Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. : > : > Just to make a lighter note to this discussion... : >: > Has anyone using the Fonix version for US noticed a hint of a Spanish : > accent to the male voices? I've only tried a couple, but noticed each : > had a very slight accent not noticed on any other Fonix implementationI : > have used prior. : > : > : > Vince Mistretta : > Speak to me on SKYPE -> : > Skype Name: vin5451 : > Get Skype at : > http://www.skype.com : > : > Call me at: : > Cellular: (561)267-7938 : > : > : > -----Original Message----- : > From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: > [mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Victor Tsaran: > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:32 AM : > To: Deanne Fernandez; 'Shane Jackson'; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff : > Stephens : > Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx : > Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. : > : > Funny that you say that... I am just trying a 30-day license of: > Mobilespeak on my Nokia N95, since it's the only player in town, and: > find that all those Akoppelas do not compare to Eloquence. : > First of all, they are slower, in my opinion, and second, they exagerate : > speech to much, thus making it difficult to operate the phone. : > I wonder why Code Factory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS. : > Regards, : > Vic : > : > --- Deanne Fernandez <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: : >: >> I agree that Eloquence is much easier to understand than the voices: >> offered for MSP or MSS. I am currently using Loquendo Dave for US: >> English. I'm still trying to learn how to put more than one voice on: >> my phone without paying for more than one license. I, too, can't: >> understand certain words, even after reviewing them several times. I: >> haven't yet figured out how to spell words on my motorola Q. I: >> wouldn't mind a slightly slow response time with Eloquence if I could: >> understand the speech better. Sometimes, even when I know what: >> Loquendo Dave is saying, the word still doesn't sound llike an actual: >> word. : >> Deanne: >> ----- Original Message ----- : >> From: Geoff Stephens: >> To: 'Shane Jackson' ; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx : >> Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx : >> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:18 PM : >> Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. : >> : >>: >> I have been showing my 8525 to various blind people since I'm a new : >> MSP user and am anxious to let people know how usable and intuitive: >> Code Factory has made these devices. : >> Veteran synthesized speech users as well as newbies agree that the: >> speech makes MSP a less than appealing solution. In fact, many seem: >> to become completely disinterested in all the rest of the : >> demonstration after they hear the Fonix speech. It seems that: >> everybody wants Eloquence. I truly believe Code Factory could sell: >> significantly more copies of MSP if Eloquence was available. : >>: >> I have tried to condition myself to Fonix but I have to admit that: >> it is still difficult for me after a month and a half of use. I'm not : > : >> very productive with it. I will live with it because I have to do so. : >> I generally use arate of 19.: >> I frequently have to go back and review words I did not understand.: >> I use eloquence at a much faster rate (75 percent of maximum with JAWS : > : >> for example) and do not have any problem reading at that rate. : >> : >> I have seen arguments on this list about the responsiveness of: >> Fonix. I support those who contend that it is not very responsive. : >> It is difficult to provide support for that argument since there are : >> many factors to consider including the device and the screen reader. : >> How are we to know how responsive Eloquence would be with MSP if we: >> haven't used it? : >> I don't know how to qualify it except to say I suspect it would be : >> bettter. : >> : >> I didn't listen to the entire podcast but skimmed through it and : >> wanted to let you know that the keys above the QWERTY keyboard are the : >: >> left and right soft keys in case you want to use them in the future. : >> I was forced to do so a couple of weeks ago when the front keyboard: >> on my 8525 stopped working.: >> I have since received a replacement and it is working fine. I have: >> continued the habit of using the soft keys on the QWERTY keyboard when : >: >> it is open. For a long time I did not realize that those keys were: >> actually keys. I thought they were part of the communication that : >> must occur to let the device know when the keyboard is opened and : >> closed. 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