RE: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
- From: "Jeff Bishop" <jeff.bishop@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:44:50 -0700
OK folks, this topic is over, no more posts will be allowed. This horse is
dead <grin>.
-----Original Message-----
From: blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gary Wood
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:40 PM
To: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
I think there probably advantages to using a Mack that you don't have with
Windows programs, but also, there are advantages with Windows that you may
not see when you use a Mack. Maybe some day, there'll be a way to finally
satisfy everybody!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darcy Burnard" <darcyburnard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
> Hi. Believe it or not, I actually agree with you guys to a point.
> While I wouldn't say this thread has devolved in to a pissing contest,
> it has gotten rather tiresome. Not only that, but I don't think it
> had any business being on the list in the first place. What exactly
> does the mac or boot camp have to do with podcasting anyway?
> However, since the thread has started, I do have some thoughts.
> As some of you know, I really want a Mac, and with luck, I'll have one
> by mid July. I've been lurking on the mac visionaries list for nearly
> a year now. A couple of months back, I did get the opportunity to
> play with a Mac for about an hour. With all that, I probably could
> have defended voice over on this thread, but I really didn't feel
qualified to do that.
> I'm not sure I would agree with the style of Gaib's messages, but I
> can certainly understand why he said what he said. Ever since the
> introduction of voice over, the blindness lists have been flooded with
> people saying it isn't any good. Many of these people are basing that
> assertion on second or third hand information. Still others dismiss
> voiceover because it's nothing like any screen reader they're used to.
> Different does not always equal bad. When you're constantly told by
> people with no first hand experience that a program you really like
> has limitations, it's only natural to come out with guns blazing. I
> would probably have a similar reaction if the topic was about
> window-eyes or speakup. By the way, when I say first hand experience,
> I mean someone who has had a Mac for several months, and depends on it
> for their daily computing tasks. Playing with a product for an hour
> as I did, or seeing it for a few minutes at a trade show, really
> doesn't give you a full sense of its capabilities.
> Finally, I want to say that I don't know for sure if voice over will
> meet my needs. It may not, who knows. For me it's worth the wrisk,
> but it may not be for everyone, which is cool. To each his own.
> Okay, this message ended up a little longer then I'd planned.
> Hopefully it doesn't start the debate up again, because that wasn't my
intent.
> Especially since as I said at the top, it really has nothing to do
> with podcasting.
> Darcy
>
>
> On Sun, 9 Apr 2006, Chris Skarstad wrote:
>
>> This is becoming a pissing contest.
>>
>> At 04:16 AM 4/9/2006, you wrote:
>>> really, do you know this to be a fact? what about programs written in
>>> carbon?
>>> BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net
>>> blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> website: http://blindtechs.net
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>>>
>>> On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:22 PM, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Gabe,
>>>>
>>>> Even if an app isn't technically supported by a Windows screen
>>>> reader like JAWS or Window-Eyes, there may still be a chance that
>>>> it might work well enough. You don't get that option with
>>>> VoiceOver. If the app isn't written in Apple's Coco programming
>>>> language, there's no OSM and you're totally out of luck.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
>>>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
>>>> A+, CSSA, Network+!
>>>> Visit http://www.petitiononline.com/captcha and sign the Google
>>>> Word Verification Accessibility Petition today!
>>>> Information should be accessible to us without need of translation
>>>> by another person.
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>>>> www.blindaccessjournal.com
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net"
>>>> <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 1:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ok lets look at this in a different angle.
>>>>>
>>>>> compared to the billions of windows apps out there, how many are
>>>>> actually supported by jaws?
>>>>> BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net
>>>>> blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> website: http://blindtechs.net
>>>>> Visit our website where we offer free email, shell accounts,
>>>>> shoutcast radio service, online games and more!
>>>>> Powered by Unix not Microsoft
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Gabe,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody is saying any such thing. Some of us are just concerned
>>>>>> that Apple really doesn't care very much about VoiceOver, other
>>>>>> than for the purpose of retaining its education business. You
>>>>>> have to admit that the application support here is very weak.
>>>>>> What is the point if the screen reader doesn't work with many apps?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
>>>>>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
>>>>>> A+, CSSA, Network+!
>>>>>> Visit http://www.petitiononline.com/captcha and sign the Google
>>>>>> Word Verification Accessibility Petition today!
>>>>>> Information should be accessible to us without need of
>>>>>> translation by another person.
>>>>>> Blind Access Journal blog and podcast: http://
>>>>>> www.blindaccessjournal.com
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net"
>>>>>> <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 1:54 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wow, thats just like saying, "Hey you blind mac users, you all
>>>>>>> are a bunch of idiots and you're really not using a real full
>>>>>>> functioning screen reader."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kind of rude, you think?
>>>>>>> BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net
>>>>>>> blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> website: http://blindtechs.net
>>>>>>> Visit our website where we offer free email, shell accounts,
>>>>>>> shoutcast radio service, online games and more!
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2006, at 7:50 AM, Allison Mervis wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd love Apple to seriously works on developments towards
>>>>>>>> making Voiceover a full functioning integrated screen reader so
>>>>>>>> that I could just buy a Mac.
>>>>>>>> Allison
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Claypool"
>>>>>>>> <bellevue.bat@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:37 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been away for 3 or so days, and I'm already out of the loop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd love to see a way where one could run the mac os and just
>>>>>>>>> load windows apps as needed. Now that'd be shweet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rick
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelly"
>>>>>>>>> <shellyspodcasts@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:14 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple's Boot Camp was released this week. The early reviews of
>>>>>>>>> Windows XP
>>>>>>>>> stability, as well as driver support have been good, but it's
>>>>>>>>> too early to
>>>>>>>>> draw conclusions. It's worth pointing out that this is an
>>>>>>>>> Apple produced and
>>>>>>>>> sanctioned approach, not a hack. I can't attest to the
>>>>>>>>> stability of screen
>>>>>>>>> readers or other specific applications. But it is reasonable
>>>>>>>>> to expect a
>>>>>>>>> high degree of stability from this boot loader approachl,
>>>>>>>>> especially when
>>>>>>>>> the tool becomes available as part of the Leopard operating
>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>> Releasing Boot Camp on its own at this time does a number of
>>>>>>>>> things for
>>>>>>>>> Apple: it allows them to get a lot of testing done by its
>>>>>>>>> customers for
>>>>>>>>> free, and it shows the company's commitment to multiple OSes
>>>>>>>>> on the Mac
>>>>>>>>> hardware platform.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Much more to come on this, I'm sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -shelly
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/6/06, Richard Claypool <bellevue.bat@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can get windows to run, but it's a bitch, and I'd guess
>>>>>>>>>> not stable
>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It has to do with the fact that the new macs support a
>>>>>>>>>> different .. newwer
>>>>>>>>>> standard of booting that windows doesn't support as yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There've been hacks to get windows running on the mac, but
>>>>>>>>>> I'd really be
>>>>>>>>>> scaired to try to get it running with a screenreader and
>>>>>>>>>> expect any
>>>>>>>>>> stability.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rick
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Stephen Guerra" <stephen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 2:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > Do not think so
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> > From: blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> > [mailto:blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>> Allison
>>>>>>>>>> Mervis
>>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 1:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>> > To: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > I assume that we could potentially load jaws on to the Mac and
>>>>>>>>>> use it
>>>>>>>>>> > with XP, and then play with voiceover every now and then.
>>>>>>>>>> Allison
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Shelly Brisbin, Writer, Editor, Geek for Hire
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Shelly's Podcast: http://shellyspodcast.com
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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