I agree--Fonix does crash less than Eloquence, and in my limited experience with Eloquence on a mobile device, Fonix appears to be less of a battery hog. Just pretend like you're listening to Eloquence with a bit of a cold!!!! Warmest Regards, Larry L. Lewis, Jr. President and Founder Flying-Blind, LLC Office Phone: +1 (216) 381-8107 E-Mail: Larry.Lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype Name: Larry.L.Lewis -----Original Message----- From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:53 PM To: MusiqMan; Marquette, Ed; Vincent Mistretta; Victor Tsaran; Deanne Fernandez; Shane Jackson; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff Stephens Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky! Sorry, I'll take Phoenix Dectalk any day before Eloquence, which is slower, more likely to crash, and really boaring compaired to Phoenix Dectalk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MusiqMan" <eforce4000@xxxxxxxxx> To: "Marquette, Ed" <emarquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Vincent Mistretta" <vin5451@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>; "Deanne Fernandez" <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Shane Jackson" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>; <msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens" <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky! : Yes I am young (28) years old but know very well what your referring to when : you talk about echo for the apple 2e and GS series. But I would have to : admit eloquence has been available now for quite some time and once you get : use to a better clearer voice you find it kind of difficult to go back. : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Marquette, Ed" <emarquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> : To: "Vincent Mistretta" <vin5451@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Victor Tsaran" : <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>; "Deanne Fernandez" <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Shane : Jackson" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>; <msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens" : <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx> : Cc: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> : Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:04 AM : Subject: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky! : : : > : > Hello all: : > Was following the thread about the Fonix voices. This is clearly a : > generational thing. : > I'm sure most of you are way too young to remember the Echo (for the : > Apple II) or the Echo-PC (for the 8088 version of the IBM PC). : > These, of course, came from the early 80's, and sounded like a robot in : > an early 50's science fiction movie with a tracheotomy. : > So, when you get used to that, Fonix sounds like heavenly music. : > <SMILE> : > Just thought I'd add perspective. : > : > : > -----Original Message----- : > From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx : > [mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vincent : > Mistretta : > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:15 AM : > To: 'Victor Tsaran'; 'Deanne Fernandez'; 'Shane Jackson'; : > msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Geoff Stephens' : > Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx : > Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. : > : > Just to make a lighter note to this discussion... : > : > Has anyone using the Fonix version for US noticed a hint of a Spanish : > accent to the male voices? I've only tried a couple, but noticed each : > had a very slight accent not noticed on any other Fonix implementation I : > have used prior. : > : > : > Vince Mistretta : > Speak to me on SKYPE -> : > Skype Name: vin5451 : > Get Skype at : > http://www.skype.com : > : > Call me at: : > Cellular: (561)267-7938 : > : > : > -----Original Message----- : > From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx : > [mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Victor Tsaran : > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:32 AM : > To: Deanne Fernandez; 'Shane Jackson'; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff : > Stephens : > Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx : > Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. : > : > Funny that you say that... I am just trying a 30-day license of : > Mobilespeak on my Nokia N95, since it's the only player in town, and : > find that all those Akoppelas do not compare to Eloquence. : > First of all, they are slower, in my opinion, and second, they exagerate : > speech to much, thus making it difficult to operate the phone. : > I wonder why Code Factory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS. : > Regards, : > Vic : > : > --- Deanne Fernandez <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: : > : >> I agree that Eloquence is much easier to understand than the voices : >> offered for MSP or MSS. I am currently using Loquendo Dave for US : >> English. I'm still trying to learn how to put more than one voice on : >> my phone without paying for more than one license. I, too, can't : >> understand certain words, even after reviewing them several times. I : >> haven't yet figured out how to spell words on my motorola Q. I : >> wouldn't mind a slightly slow response time with Eloquence if I could : >> understand the speech better. Sometimes, even when I know what : >> Loquendo Dave is saying, the word still doesn't sound llike an actual : >> word. : >> Deanne : >> ----- Original Message ----- : >> From: Geoff Stephens : >> To: 'Shane Jackson' ; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx : >> Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx : >> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:18 PM : >> Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight. : >> : >> : >> I have been showing my 8525 to various blind people since I'm a new : >> MSP user and am anxious to let people know how usable and intuitive : >> Code Factory has made these devices. : >> Veteran synthesized speech users as well as newbies agree that the : >> speech makes MSP a less than appealing solution. In fact, many seem : >> to become completely disinterested in all the rest of the : >> demonstration after they hear the Fonix speech. It seems that : >> everybody wants Eloquence. I truly believe Code Factory could sell : >> significantly more copies of MSP if Eloquence was available. : >> : >> I have tried to condition myself to Fonix but I have to admit that : >> it is still difficult for me after a month and a half of use. I'm not : > : >> very productive with it. I will live with it because I have to do so. : >> I generally use arate of 19. : >> I frequently have to go back and review words I did not understand. : >> I use eloquence at a much faster rate (75 percent of maximum with JAWS : > : >> for example) and do not have any problem reading at that rate. : >> : >> I have seen arguments on this list about the responsiveness of : >> Fonix. I support those who contend that it is not very responsive. : >> It is difficult to provide support for that argument since there are : >> many factors to consider including the device and the screen reader. : >> How are we to know how responsive Eloquence would be with MSP if we : >> haven't used it? : >> I don't know how to qualify it except to say I suspect it would be : >> bettter. : >> : >> I didn't listen to the entire podcast but skimmed through it and : >> wanted to let you know that the keys above the QWERTY keyboard are the : > : >> left and right soft keys in case you want to use them in the future. : >> I was forced to do so a couple of weeks ago when the front keyboard : >> on my 8525 stopped working. : >> I have since received a replacement and it is working fine. I have : >> continued the habit of using the soft keys on the QWERTY keyboard when : > : >> it is open. For a long time I did not realize that those keys were : >> actually keys. I thought they were part of the communication that : >> must occur to let the device know when the keyboard is opened and : >> closed. 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