Yes, yes, you go Allison! *cheers*
I don't see how anybody could justify paying *that* much for a set of scripts.
I do realize that a whole lot of work went into them so I don't mind paying
for them, I really don't. However, I can think of a lot of things I could
buy with that amount of money and there are just better programs out there
other than iTunes.
They're entirely too expensive for a college student like me. Allison
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Jones" <kevin@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: RE: Itunes
> I thought Brian Hartgen had done work on making itunes accessable, has > anyone used his scripts? > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Darrell Shandrow > Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:45 PM > To: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Itunes > > > Hi Gary, > > It is always a balancing act. Screen readers allow us access to computers. > These companies must certainly continue doing their part to develop and > implement technologies that make our technology lives more accessible. On > the other hand, mainstream tech companies must also do the right thing by > meeting us the other halfway, reasonably accomodating accessibility needs. > We must ask and insist on it if necessary, finally using the available laws > when appropriate as the very last resort. > > By and large, at this time, the blind community simply lacks the will to get > serious about accessibility issues. The consumer organizations and others > are quite frankly paralyzed to do anything significant. So long as that's > the case, we're stuck and inaccessibility is getting worse for us on > practically a second by second basis! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Wood" <k8hlx@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 1:26 PM > Subject: Re: Itunes > > > > Hi Darrell! I think that as blind people, we should step up to the plate, > > and get involved to try to solve the accessibility issues; but I don't > > know if we should ask companies to make their products more accessible to > > us, or we should get involved with companies to make programs accessible > > from the ground up; but I don't know how we could do this, but it's some > > food for thought! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:41 AM > > Subject: Re: Itunes > > > > > >> Hi Steve, > >> > >> I'm not sure there is much of a "good thing" to be lost with Apple. > >> Apple has most likely created VoiceOver only to protect their education > >> business from loss due to legislation requiring accessibility of > >> technology in education. As far as I can tell, the company has done > >> nothing further for us. I think it is time for us to do a few things. > >> First, let's start thinking about drafting and sending a letter to Steve > >> Jobs asking for Apple to do more to make their products and services > >> accessible. Second, let's start participating in the forums over at > >> http://discussions.apple.com to publicly ask for more accessibility and > >> see what we can get for a response from Apple and their users. > >> > >> Everytime I think about one of the myriad and increasing accessibility > >> issues we face with technology, I feel very depressed. Companies by and > >> large could care less whether or not we jump in the lake, but the biggest > >> problem lies with the blind community, who largely refuse to take any > >> significant collective and individual actions to insist on equal > >> participation in all that technology already offers the sighted. Almost > >> everyone in the companies we need to become more accessible simply don't > >> know that blind technology users exist. Shame on us in the blind > >> community for not consistently and frequently explaining it to them! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:24 AM > >> Subject: Re: Itunes > >> > >> > >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>> Hash: RIPEMD160 > >>> > >>> When I read Anna Dresner's book about her iPod experiences, I got the > >>> impression that Apple's tech support was quite helpful and treated her > >>> fairly. Though that was nearly a year ago now. I hope some of us blind > >>> guys didn't go in there like gang busters and ruin a good thing. But > >>> then again, my impressions of Apple's lack of committment to > >>> accessibility for such popular products like the iPod and iTunes, I gues > >>> I couldn't blaim some blind folks for ganging up on them. I personally > >>> have heard absolutely *NOTHING* from Apple concerning making iTunes or > >>> the iPod any more accessible to blind people and furthermore, I have > >>> heard rumors that the shuffle was being discontinued. If that last > >>> rumor is untrue, then I will stand corrected. > >>> > >>> ?As for the set files I wrote for iTunes, it shouldn't matter what > >>> version of iTunes is being used. I haven't checked Brian Hartgen's sets > >>> out to see if they are any better than what I have. I only passed my > >>> version to a few folks to see what was thought but mine need a lot of > >>> improvement before prime time release. I just find iTunes to be so > >>> inconsistent with graphical displays and the like, I found it impossible > >>> to reliably purchase from the store for example. I developed my sets > >>> using Window-Eyes version 5.5 so they probably wouldn't work for any > >>> earlier versions of WE but the version of iTunes shouldn't matter. I'm > >>> currently using version 6.0 something and my sets still work with such > >>> as iTunes is. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 06:31:49AM -0700, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net > >>> wrote: > >>>> Being a blind mac user myself and a trainer for mac/osx/tiger/ > >>>> voiceover/zoom I have to ask one very important question please...... > >>>> > >>>> What was the context in which you asked for help. I mean, Was it like > >>>> "Hey dude, I am blind and I can't find xxxxxx on your site so can you > >>>> help me?" > >>>> If so, I see why, if not. hmmmm.... I got to admit though that apple > >>>> has been getting snotty with allot of blind folks and its not making > >>>> me to happy because I push for the blind to convert to the mac and > >>>> promote the mac all over and it annoys the hell out of me when I hear > >>>> these stories because if one of my clients get this type of treatment > >>>> it looks bad on me. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net > >>>> blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>> website: http://blindtechs.net > >>>> Visit our website where we offer free email, shell accoiunts, > >>>> shoutcast radio service, online games and more! > >>>> Powered by Unix not Microsoft > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Jan 7, 2006, at 3:37 AM, Chris Gilland wrote: > >>>> > >>>> >Actually, when I looked at the web site, I didn't see any type > >>>> >limitations, but I could be wrong. I didn't look very heavily > >>>> >since I couldn't even find the install shield for version 5, as > >>>> >that's gonna be the first thing that will have to happen, and > >>>> >frankly, Apple is being quite interestingly enough, very very very > >>>> >very very rude in not wanting to help. I called and spoke with > >>>> >someone at the Apple Care Tech Support line, and they actually had > >>>> >the guts to sit there and say that because I was blind, they > >>>> >refused to help me as a customer. None the less, I'm seriously > >>>> >thinking of taking a complaint to my local ACB chapter regarding > >>>> >this, as I'm not much for NFB, but I don't wish to get into a > >>>> >political discussion here, so thus, I really don't feel comfortable > >>>> >giving any reasons why that is on list. Anyway, we'll get off that > >>>> >subject... Yeah, I didn't see any limitations though, but I'll > >>>> >check later on today a bit more closely. > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> >Chris. > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" > >>>> ><blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>>> >To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>>> >Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:31 PM > >>>> >Subject: Re: Itunes > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> >I'm assuming that the set files are coded in a way to where they > >>>> >won't work with a demo of win eyes? > >>>> > > >>>> >BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net > >>>> >blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>> >website: http://blindtechs.net > >>>> >Visit our website where we offer free email, shell accoiunts, > >>>> >shoutcast radio service, online games and more! > >>>> >Powered by Unix not Microsoft > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> >On Jan 6, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> >>I have an IPod mini. I?m wondering if anyone may know where to > >>>> >>get a coy of Itunes version 5, as apparently, the set files for > >>>> >>window eyes do not work with any other version. I?ve checked the > >>>> >>Apple web site, and also have looked on olderversion.com and > >>>> >>download.com. I?ve used google as well, with no luck. I really > >>>> >>would like to try these set files with my demo copy of Window > >>>> >>eyes. Please let me know if anyone has any ideas. > >>>> >> > >>>> >>Chris. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> - -- > >>> HolmesGrown Solutions > >>> The best solutions for the best price! > >>> http://ld.net/?holmesgrown > >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) > >>> > >>> iD8DBQFDv88nWSjv55S0LfERA+wyAJ9/eCgj/hW4k9UP6yXxxChReGqNrQCg578Q > >>> 77JIvCcH1WQUoKX7JERMZ5U= > >>> =h56r > >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
