Re: Itunes
- From: "Allison Mervis" <allisonfm@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:27:24 -0500
They're entirely too expensive for a college student like me.
Allison
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Jones" <kevin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: Itunes
> I thought Brian Hartgen had done work on making itunes accessable, has
> anyone used his scripts?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Darrell Shandrow
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:45 PM
> To: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Itunes
>
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> It is always a balancing act. Screen readers allow us access to
computers.
> These companies must certainly continue doing their part to develop and
> implement technologies that make our technology lives more accessible. On
> the other hand, mainstream tech companies must also do the right thing by
> meeting us the other halfway, reasonably accomodating accessibility needs.
> We must ask and insist on it if necessary, finally using the available
laws
> when appropriate as the very last resort.
>
> By and large, at this time, the blind community simply lacks the will to
get
> serious about accessibility issues. The consumer organizations and others
> are quite frankly paralyzed to do anything significant. So long as that's
> the case, we're stuck and inaccessibility is getting worse for us on
> practically a second by second basis!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Wood" <k8hlx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 1:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Itunes
>
>
> > Hi Darrell! I think that as blind people, we should step up to the
plate,
> > and get involved to try to solve the accessibility issues; but I don't
> > know if we should ask companies to make their products more accessible
to
> > us, or we should get involved with companies to make programs accessible
> > from the ground up; but I don't know how we could do this, but it's some
> > food for thought!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: Itunes
> >
> >
> >> Hi Steve,
> >>
> >> I'm not sure there is much of a "good thing" to be lost with Apple.
> >> Apple has most likely created VoiceOver only to protect their education
> >> business from loss due to legislation requiring accessibility of
> >> technology in education. As far as I can tell, the company has done
> >> nothing further for us. I think it is time for us to do a few things.
> >> First, let's start thinking about drafting and sending a letter to
Steve
> >> Jobs asking for Apple to do more to make their products and services
> >> accessible. Second, let's start participating in the forums over at
> >> http://discussions.apple.com to publicly ask for more accessibility and
> >> see what we can get for a response from Apple and their users.
> >>
> >> Everytime I think about one of the myriad and increasing accessibility
> >> issues we face with technology, I feel very depressed. Companies by
and
> >> large could care less whether or not we jump in the lake, but the
biggest
> >> problem lies with the blind community, who largely refuse to take any
> >> significant collective and individual actions to insist on equal
> >> participation in all that technology already offers the sighted.
Almost
> >> everyone in the companies we need to become more accessible simply
don't
> >> know that blind technology users exist. Shame on us in the blind
> >> community for not consistently and frequently explaining it to them!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:24 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Itunes
> >>
> >>
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> >>> When I read Anna Dresner's book about her iPod experiences, I got the
> >>> impression that Apple's tech support was quite helpful and treated her
> >>> fairly. Though that was nearly a year ago now. I hope some of us
blind
> >>> guys didn't go in there like gang busters and ruin a good thing. But
> >>> then again, my impressions of Apple's lack of committment to
> >>> accessibility for such popular products like the iPod and iTunes, I
gues
> >>> I couldn't blaim some blind folks for ganging up on them. I
personally
> >>> have heard absolutely *NOTHING* from Apple concerning making iTunes or
> >>> the iPod any more accessible to blind people and furthermore, I have
> >>> heard rumors that the shuffle was being discontinued. If that last
> >>> rumor is untrue, then I will stand corrected.
> >>>
> >>> ?As for the set files I wrote for iTunes, it shouldn't matter what
> >>> version of iTunes is being used. I haven't checked Brian Hartgen's
sets
> >>> out to see if they are any better than what I have. I only passed my
> >>> version to a few folks to see what was thought but mine need a lot of
> >>> improvement before prime time release. I just find iTunes to be so
> >>> inconsistent with graphical displays and the like, I found it
impossible
> >>> to reliably purchase from the store for example. I developed my sets
> >>> using Window-Eyes version 5.5 so they probably wouldn't work for any
> >>> earlier versions of WE but the version of iTunes shouldn't matter.
I'm
> >>> currently using version 6.0 something and my sets still work with such
> >>> as iTunes is.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 06:31:49AM -0700, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Being a blind mac user myself and a trainer for mac/osx/tiger/
> >>>> voiceover/zoom I have to ask one very important question please......
> >>>>
> >>>> What was the context in which you asked for help. I mean, Was it like
> >>>> "Hey dude, I am blind and I can't find xxxxxx on your site so can you
> >>>> help me?"
> >>>> If so, I see why, if not. hmmmm.... I got to admit though that apple
> >>>> has been getting snotty with allot of blind folks and its not making
> >>>> me to happy because I push for the blind to convert to the mac and
> >>>> promote the mac all over and it annoys the hell out of me when I hear
> >>>> these stories because if one of my clients get this type of treatment
> >>>> it looks bad on me.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net
> >>>> blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> website: http://blindtechs.net
> >>>> Visit our website where we offer free email, shell accoiunts,
> >>>> shoutcast radio service, online games and more!
> >>>> Powered by Unix not Microsoft
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 7, 2006, at 3:37 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >Actually, when I looked at the web site, I didn't see any type
> >>>> >limitations, but I could be wrong. I didn't look very heavily
> >>>> >since I couldn't even find the install shield for version 5, as
> >>>> >that's gonna be the first thing that will have to happen, and
> >>>> >frankly, Apple is being quite interestingly enough, very very very
> >>>> >very very rude in not wanting to help. I called and spoke with
> >>>> >someone at the Apple Care Tech Support line, and they actually had
> >>>> >the guts to sit there and say that because I was blind, they
> >>>> >refused to help me as a customer. None the less, I'm seriously
> >>>> >thinking of taking a complaint to my local ACB chapter regarding
> >>>> >this, as I'm not much for NFB, but I don't wish to get into a
> >>>> >political discussion here, so thus, I really don't feel comfortable
> >>>> >giving any reasons why that is on list. Anyway, we'll get off that
> >>>> >subject... Yeah, I didn't see any limitations though, but I'll
> >>>> >check later on today a bit more closely.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Chris.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net"
> >>>> ><blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> >To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> >Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:31 PM
> >>>> >Subject: Re: Itunes
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >I'm assuming that the set files are coded in a way to where they
> >>>> >won't work with a demo of win eyes?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net
> >>>> >blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >website: http://blindtechs.net
> >>>> >Visit our website where we offer free email, shell accoiunts,
> >>>> >shoutcast radio service, online games and more!
> >>>> >Powered by Unix not Microsoft
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >On Jan 6, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>I have an IPod mini. I?m wondering if anyone may know where to
> >>>> >>get a coy of Itunes version 5, as apparently, the set files for
> >>>> >>window eyes do not work with any other version. I?ve checked the
> >>>> >>Apple web site, and also have looked on olderversion.com and
> >>>> >>download.com. I?ve used google as well, with no luck. I really
> >>>> >>would like to try these set files with my demo copy of Window
> >>>> >>eyes. Please let me know if anyone has any ideas.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>Chris.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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