Once you have an ums version on your unit, then you don't need the software to do the upgrades. I haven't had the version where you need the manager software since just after I got my player. -----Original Message----- From: blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shane Jackson Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:20 AM To: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Iriver IFP 899 help requested Hey there, Deb, as far as I remember the other software is the actual Audio Manager. You need this because it allows you to upgrade the firmware. If you don't have the software on your PC, you can't transfer files to and from the unit and you can't upgrade the firmware. That's why it must be on there. Shane Jackson, Amateur Radio Station: K4JSJ Hoover, Alabama, USA Email and Windows Live Messenger: jack728@xxxxxxxxx Skype: cadal728 Web Site: http://www.shanejackson.net Live Journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/jack728 Podcast: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Shaneslivejournal.com "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NASB) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.12/499 - Release Date: 10/26/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.12/499 - Release Date: 10/26/2006