But it doesn't make them facts.
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From: "Frank Ventura" <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: what is the working class?
Roger, there is an old saying that goes something like facts are determined
by he who shouts the loudest.
Frank
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran
Bailey
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 9:30 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: what is the working class?
If the answer is that we should all hold our own personal definition then
you are saying that the whole concept of class is subjective. If it is only
a subjective feeling rather than a matter of objective reality then you are
again denying the class struggle and the dynamics of the class struggle. You
are offering vagueness where there is actionable fact.
On 8/27/2016 1:20 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:
Well, the answer is that we each should hold our own personal definition. My definition is someone who *must* work to provide for himself (or herself), as opposed to someone who does not need towork, but perhaps does anyway; nor someone who doesn't work and still survives.
Frank
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Hachey
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 10:03 AM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: what is the working class?
Hi all,
No doubt, trying to define what is the working class is not going to be easy. One could argue that it means earning less than a certain income, let's say $40,000.00. The flaw there is that one could be earning such income from investments and not working at all. Also, picking a number for the income is problematic at best.
Others might say that it means doing some sort of physical labor. But some folks like plumbers and electricians earn a pretty good living doing physical labor.
Still others might argue that it is based on one's education level. But we all know folks who are relatively well educated who don't make much money and we know other less educated types who earn more money. By the way, I hesitate to use the word earn because it implies that all who get money deserve what they get and that is certainly not true in these days of injustice and tremendous income inequality.
Perhaps the best way to look at this is to take the approach that former SCOTUS justice Potter took in trying to define what is obscenity. He said that he couldn't define it specifically but that he knew what it was when he saw it.
Bob Hachey
