Yeah, if we can imagine anything we want then why imagine a flying
horse? Why not just imagine the prophet flying under his own power. But
imagining is one thing. Expecting other people to actually believe your
most outrageous imaginings is another thing and it is insulting to their
intelligence. If Mustafa really expects people to believe in that flying
horse he insults everyone's intelligence. That is downright offensive.
It also makes him look like a complete lunatic. No wonder he avoided
answering my question for so long. But he finally did answer and just
like I expected he made himself look like he had just escaped from an
insane asylum.
On 7/27/2018 9:51 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Mostafa, and All.
Within my head, anything is possible. I can fly simply by pushing off
the ground. I can speak mighty speeches which move the Masses. I can
create amazing inventions that save our planet from its present road
to destruction. Anything I can imagine, I can do. And even outside
my head there are signs that anything is possible. There was the TV
program, Mister Ed, the talking horse. And before him there was
Francis, the talking Mule. My Mother the Car also extends hope that
our Souls will settle down somewhere.
So why not create Allah or God? Why not imagine that they are the
Perfect Beings? Why not believe that these Divine Ones have a Plan
for us. Even though billions of us suffer daily, when we Humans
possess the talent and wealth to bring relief to all who suffer, even
so, God/Allah will care for us in the Hereafter. Why not? Since we
seem unable to deal with the many wrongs in this world, why not invent
one where we live in peace under the rule of the Perfect Dictator?
Carl Jarvis
On 7/26/18, Mostafa <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) travelled to heaven on a
miraculous steed. This has nothing to do with irrationality. If you
take someone from ancient ages and told him about aircrafts, rocket
science or spacefaring, he probably won't believe you. If you do not
able to understand something, it doesn't mean it couldn't happen. If
you didn't see something that occurred in the past or at present in
your absence, that doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Nevertheless,
there is one problem with you. You do not recognise providential
omnipotence. You're intellectually discombobulated. If something is
not material, you won't believe in it. Apprehension lies quite beyond
mere physicality. Do you know what is really irrational? It's the
bogus presumption that this perfectly designed universe has been found
circumstantially. How long are you still going to live? Five, ten,
fifteen, twenty years or more. You'll eventually die. This decisive
fact is intemperately inarguable. Whether you believe or not believe,
you'll certainly face this infrangible destiny. Whether you believe in
Atheism, iniquity or Necromancy, you'll be send to eternal perdition.
You're offended whenever I bring the subject of death because you are
terrified of its mystical consequences for you. I do not have any prob
with your atheistic nation which is of nescience, cowardice,
satanicalness and mental instability. I am utterly emancipated because
I do not allow the immurement of materialism to manipulate my manner
of thinking. Everything you believe is of the materialistic nature of
where you live. You, Carl, Bob, Miriam and others are the production
of excessiveness of philistinism. Almost everyone in your regional
bases are possessed by philistine prevalence. I love my conception of
liberty. I am felicitous with my standards and fundementals. I am not
to be controlled by someone just because he is materialistically
superior. Carl always says he doesn't like to be influenced with
religion. Well, I quite like not being the opposite. I won't ever
submit my soul to anathemised Lucifer. I want each and everyone of
you to try looking at stats of suicide incidents in his or her region
in the States. We then could examine, has the perfectly materialistic
life of the United States precluded people from committing suicide? If
considering suicidal acts is not common in the United States, why have
they provided the national suicide prevention lifeline then? Is life
with abandoning faith really the proper choice? For me, it isn't.
Suppose I did everything in this temporal life, what's next? Arguably,
I travelled to the States, became an Atheist or whatever they call it,
made big money, slept with remarkably gorgeous missies and so on.
After all this, what am I going to feel? Is life just of material
expenditure? I wish someone answers this question fairly. Mustafa, a
competent writer in plain English. He took from the west beneficial
knowledge and wholly disposed otherwise.
On 7/26/18, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Your religion is rational? Let me ask this question again that so far
you have ignored. Do you believe that Muhammad visited heaven by means
of riding a flying horse to get there?
On 7/25/2018 2:21 PM, Mostafa wrote:
Hello everyone, thank you so much for these interactive threads. Bob,
why would I wholeheartedly embrace Islam if I doubt it being the
truely straight path to prosperity? Why would I unnecessarily flatter
those who I fundamentally disagree with? If I did so, this will
basically be hypocritical, which is to profess perceptions or virtues
you don't hold. This is a characteristic you previously criticised and
falsely accused me of bearing. Carl, what Roger wrote has nothing to
do with proper discussion or inference. First, he said that religion
is full of evil. When I asked him to provide a proof, he basically
diverged and resorted to call religion superstitious. What is a
superstition? It is an irrational belief arising from ignorance or
fear. I do not believe in superstitions or mythical notions.
Everything in my religious shrine is explained and has rational basis.
What is not explained, why would this very organised vast universe be
based on an unheralded theory? There is no experimental procedure that
corroborates the big bang theory. Again, your experience of religion
is not equal to mine. I live in a region where religion is significant
and has impact in everyday life. You live in a region where religion
is spiritually emptied. Churches are not enjoining their fellow
congregants to adhere any moral conduct. Thus far, ethical devotion is
relative and may vary from place to another. This is because, as I
said yesterday, religion has been separated from state governance and
social affairs. It therefore became useless in western arena. I now
want the question which I asked yesterday to be fairly answered. If
religion is full of evil as Roger claimed, did Hitler hold into
religious motives when he engaged in world war two? What is the
religious motive for North Korea, Iran or Israel to develop nuclear
power? Religion may be perverted by some bunch of beguilers for
political gain. But, the lack of genuine spirituality has led to the
rife phenomenon I bear witness now in this list. Faith abandonment is
quite dominant nowadays in the west. Here in Egypt, there are some
atheists and agnostics. They do not embrace thoughts of their
independent ponder. Everything they say is precisely ingeminated from
western Atheism. This is another practical instance of civil
defeatism. I wish everyone here to think, why did any of you become
Atheist or spiritually irreverent? If you look at your private life,
you'll notice the chronological order by which you became where you
now are. But, you do not know something about my religion, where I
come from and my language. I in return, knew about your culture,
language and history. This is why I am sitting here, responding in
plain English to your bold statements about religion and what it
signifies. I hope you recognise the difference between us. And,
please, do not twist my sentiment and tackle my queries thoroughly.
Thank you for reading, Mustafa
_________
On 7/25/18, Bob Hachey <bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Mostafa,
You really do seem to believe that Islam is the only proper religion.
IT
is
that kind of thinking that will be the death of us all. Similarly, some
fundamentalist Christians and orthodox Jews feel the same about their
religions. IT is that kind of zealotry that has throughout history lead
to
war.
It is very strange how these religions that claim to offer good to the
world
offer bigotry and disdain for those they see as non-believers.
Bob Hachey
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Bob, religion is not crucial in western societies. Subsequent to French
revolution, European nations embraced total separation between faith
and
state governance. As the United States is the production of European
immigration to North America, it precisely imitated the European
disintegration of faith in action. So it rather became, faith inaction.
Islam has rules and regulations for everything including territorial
jurisdiction. This is the reason for which the west attempts to
relentlessly
defame its jural principles. According to Austrian foreign minister,
Islam
is declined because of its governmental ordination. So, it has nothing
to
do
with promoting terror and that nonsense. Mass Christendom and Hebraism
concurred to utterly disintegrate between faith and state governing. We
have
the right to persistently fend for liberty of religious practice. We
have
the right to prosecute for religious sacrilege. The United States
doesn't
have to abide by our legal authority. As for Atheism and what Mr Roger
blankly claimed about religion, he seems to have failed to implement
proper
intellectual inductance. As for world wars one and two, what was the
motive
for them? Had Hitler been waving a religious banner, we would have
portrayed
religion as full of evil. Korea and its atomic dementia, what has this
to
do
with religion? What about Israel and its relentlessly enormous savagery
on
Palestinians, what has this to do with religion? What about this
cannibalic
war in Syria, what has this to do with religion? Religion in itself,
doesn't
call for evil. Its follwers may misuse some of its tenets to suppress
and
reach up to certain political ambitions. I confirm what I stated below,
there is significant difference between faith in the west versus here.
In
the west, everything seems to be tolerated. People may go to Church
while
engaging in illicit wedlock. Regular Churchgoers may not necessarily
marry
their patooties if authorised marriage is costly to them. So, I hope
list
viewers recognise the substantial difference between your conception of
religion versus our.
Thus, I hope Mr Roger clarifies his uncorroborated statement about
religion.
I do not agree with Atheism nevertheless, I do not say it's full of
evil
without proof. To claim that Zionism, for instance, is established on
iniquity and injustice is pragmatic and decisively substantiated. I
hope
we
are able to proceed on a productive discussion. I hope to see Mr Roger
finally able to engage in more serious discussion. What has world war
two
erupted for?
On 7/22/18, Bob Hachey <bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Mostafa,
Your message here is dripping with hypocrisy. You seem to claim that
Islam is far superior to Christianity. By making the kind of blanket
statements you made here, you are acting much like the hypocritical
Evangelical Christians. You accuse all Christians of being greedy
hypocrites. That would be like me accusing all Muslims of being
terrorists which I know is not true.
The more I read and the more of life that I experience, the more I
wonder if we humans would be better off without all religions. The
bottom line here is that there is good and bad in all religions.
Bob Hachey
An agnostic bordering on atheism
