Miriam, keeping up with JAWS is very expensive. Because I work with blind
persons and computers I need multiple licenses of JAWS and Fusion. Right now I
need five licenses; one for me, one for my wife, and three for computers that I
am working on. Because VISPERO knows that I work in the profession I cannot get
the discounted home version. I have to get the most expensive corporate
edition. Earlier this year I renewed my licenses for the next two years and it
cost me $7500. I think the single licnese home version is somewhere around $200
for the upgrade.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 9:24 AM
To: Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 'Roger Loran Bailey'
<rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>; Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: FW: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
This was returned to me, unsent. There is no article at all. It's a response to
Frank and Carl, sent to the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 9:07 AM
To: 'blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
Frank,
Thanks. I just don't know if all the people who have assisted me, know what
you've just told us about NVDA and the plug in feature. The other issue for me
would be the difficulty of learning a new screen reader program. It's scary.
Carl, if one keeps up with Jaws updates, until this year, the cost averaged out
to $60 a year. The cost has risen slightly this year. I can't remember what
it is. One pays for it every two years, I think. If you do that, it never costs
thousands of dollars.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 9:56 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
Carl and Miriam, Windows 10 has a feature called Quick Assist which enables
someone to remotely control your computer. As of this writing the support
person has to be sighted. NVDA can do remote control if you install an
additional plug-in on both the controlling and target computers; and of course
JAWS has the excellent tandem feature.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 2:32 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
Miriam,
I have no answer. I'll need to check, and then I'll let you know what I find
out. I've had remote assistance before, and I assumed that it was a feature of
any computer. But my understanding often comes out of left field, and has no
relation to the world we live in.
And by the way, thanks for the Chris Hedges article. He hits so many points
squarely on the head. I'm saving it in order to use the many points he lists.
But even so, we need to find ways of generating discussions.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/20/20, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Also, if the blind folks who help you with your computer are not close
enough to visit your home, they need to be able to help you remotely.
Jaws has a program which makes that very easy. The question is, does
NVDA? The only reason I was able to get this new computer and to be
able to sort of use it, is that Londa, who lives in Pennsylvania,
bought it for me, copied everything I would need from my windows 7 to
it remotely, sent it to me, and then fixed stuff on it remotely, when
it arrived. Freedom Scientific has monopolized the market because
everyone who teaches tech to blind people, uses Jaws, and they've
developed all these programs to cover all kinds of situations. I'd
love to use a simple program that I don't have to pay for, but then I
couldn't get the help I need.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 1:18 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
Miriam,
My lap top has NVDA, and I used it, two years ago. Voice was fine,
worked as well as JAWS, but then I got busy and forgot how to use it.
A friend who teaches computers said he'd "walk me through it". But as
far as keeping current, I can't answer. There's a great deal of
information on the internet, and Dean Martineau has also told me I can
call on him for help. But I am slow to abandon JAWS. My public story
is that I am being cautious, but I think it's called Old Age.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/20/20, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl,
How did you learn how to use NVDA? Does it have a feature so that
someone can help you remotely if something goes wrong and you need
help from a blind tech person to fix it? Does it stay current with
all the websites from which we get articles?
Why can't your little chapter have telephone meetings? That's what
all the blind folks did before Zoom. I don't know exactly how it
works, but there's a phone number and a code. It seems like older
folks could manage that.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 12:44 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
Miriam,
I have received several messages which you noted you could not get
posted to the list. I didn't count them, but at least three have
come through. I seem to be having a similar problem, but thought it
was because I'm still using Windows 7, and JAWS 17. I quit using
Mozilla Firefox and use google chrome. Even so, sometimes spellcheck
works and other times it does not.
The same with my email addresses.
Sometimes I enter the first part of an email, and when I hit tab the
address is completed. Other times I am forced to enter the entire
address. I suspect it's long past time for me to upgrade. But I
plan to use NVDA and let JAWS go to the trash bin. I have paid a lot
of money beginning with the
$1,000 initial cost, and the annual upgrades that cost at least a
collective
$1,000 additional money, just to stay current and to do what I was
doing all along. But I can still do my articles for a couple of
publications, and do my email on Blind Democracy, WCB and ACB lists.
I also have a small personal list for our Jefferson County
Council(JCCB) group. That's about all that's keeping us together,
probably until next year. I seem to be the driving force in the
JCCB, holding down both the vice presidency and the secretary office.
Cathy is treasurer. She's sitting on a bit over $3,000 in our
chapter bank account. Withdrawals take two officers signatures.
Right here in our little ten by ten office we have three officers.
If we close down the JCCB, the members vote where to send the effects
of the chapter. If we wait long enough Cathy and I could well have
the most votes.
Under pre-COVID-19 days a cruise would have sounded fine. But in
today's world, especially under the "leadership" of Donald Trump,
we'll probably vote it to our state WCB chapter. Cathy and I
organized this chapter in 1996. I hate to be the one to close it
down, but probably for the safety of our members we need to bring
JCCB to an end, with the assurance that once it becomes safe for
older folks to meet together, we would reactivate the Chapter.
That's number two on my list for today. First I need to draft a
tribute to Berl Colley, one of our most active WCB members, who died
earlier this year.
I've been selected to write the tribute since I am one of the last
"old timers" who knew Berl. Sort of scary.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/19/20, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yesterday and today, I have been unable to send certain articles to
this list. I can't forward the email in which they appear, nor can I
copy the articles to a new email and send them. I've sent copies to
Roger and Carl, but I don't know if they've received them. I don't
know if the problem is that my provider won't allow the emails to
leave because it thinks they contain viruses or whether it's Free
Lists that won't accept them. It would be helpful if Roger would
communicate with me about this issue and tell me if he's received
the articles that I sent privately. If he has, then we know it's
Free Lists that won't accept them. If he hasn't, then it must be my
provider that won't send them.
Miriam
