Like I said, I don't think it is likely that posting articles to this
list are going to cause problems anyway. So I suppose it is no big deal.
But if we get a cease and desist notice then I suppose we will have to
cease and desist. But speaking of not knowing how to make a URL
disappear after copying it, I have that problem myself. When I was using
Internet Explorer it was a simple matter of pressing control+f6. But
when Internet Explorer was replaced with Edge I ran into a problem with
Edge. I very frequently navigate around web pages by link. That is, I
press the U key to hop from unvisited link to unvisited link and the V
key to bounce from visited link to visited link. That does not work in
Edge. So, even though I disliked Chrome, I started using Chrome so that
I could continue navigating by links. That is one of those features of
JAWS that I am enamored with. After finally getting used to Chrome I now
do not dislike it nearly as much as I used to. One problem still
persists though, Just like you I don't know how to make the URL go away
after I copy it. All I can do is press enter and that refreshes the
page. Depending on what page it is and on what I am doing on that page I
might not want to refresh it. So if anyone knows how to close the
address bar in Chrome without refreshing the page or losing the page
then please let me know what the key strokes are. I never did figure it out.
_____
Robert G. Ingersoll
“Give me the storm and tempest of thought and action, rather than the dead calm
of ignorance and faith! Banish me from Eden when you will; but first let me eat
of the fruit of the tree of knowledge!”
― Robert G. Ingersoll, The Works Of Robert G. Ingersoll, Vol. Iii
On 10/21/2020 3:05 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Yes, well, there is usually attribution in the articles I post. The name of the author
and the original source of the article are included in the article by the website from
which I get them. And when that doesn't happen, I usually, in case I forget, will write
something like, "from The Intercept". Providing the link can be a problem for
me because I can't remember the key strokes to make the url disappear, after I've invoked
it. But I do indicate where the articles come from when that information isn't included
within the articles. The websites from which I get the articles have gotten them from
other websites and they indicate that. The only two websites from which my articles
actually are originated from are The Intercept and The Grayzone Project. Apparently,
Mint Press News isn't going to be doing articles anymore, or at least they're not going
to be sending them out in daily digests. Chris Hedges' stuff always comes from
Scheerpost.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On
Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 2:51 PM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
I didn't say that a URL is or can be copyrighted. It is no more copyrighted
than a footnote in a book. However, the footnote attributes a quotation or the
source of information found in the text. Similarly a URL gives the source of an
article that has been posted. That is, it is an attribution. In the form of a
link you can click on that link and go right to the source. That protects
against charges of plagiarism. If the posted article was being provided in
exchange for money, though, that attribution would not protect against
copyright violation claims. We are assuming that posting a single article for
information purposes counts as fair use. In the case of most of the articles
posted on this list it is probably the case that the authors or publishers
would want it circulated anyway. But even if you want your article to be
circulated you are still likely to want it to be properly attributed. That is
why it is best to include a link back to the article when posting.
_____
Robert G. Ingersoll
“Give me the storm and tempest of thought and action, rather than the dead calm
of ignorance and faith! Banish me from Eden when you will; but first let me eat
of the fruit of the tree of knowledge!”
― Robert G. Ingersoll, The Works Of Robert G. Ingersoll, Vol. Iii
On 10/21/2020 8:30 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:
Roger, a URL to an article (or a URL to anything for that matter) cannot be
copyrighted. It is OK to post the link to an article, but not the article
itself. You're correct it is unlikely that Miriam will ever receive a cease and
desist order but Freelists has some AI in it which flags lists that repeatedly
violate its policies on copyright infringement and the list itself may get
bagged.
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 10:42 PM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
You should send a link along with the article in any case. Technically copying
an article and sending it around is a copyright violation. I think it is
unlikely that you will get into trouble by sending them to this puny little
list, but it is better to be safe than sorry. A link back to the article is
considered to be attribution.
_____
Robert G. Ingersoll
“Give me the storm and tempest of thought and action, rather than the dead calm
of ignorance and faith! Banish me from Eden when you will; but first let me eat
of the fruit of the tree of knowledge!”
― Robert G. Ingersoll, The Works Of Robert G. Ingersoll, Vol. Iii
On 10/20/2020 2:41 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
I was afraid I couldn't send the actual article which is why I also sent the
link as Penny suggested. But amazingly, the article went through intact. Chris
Hedges is the sage of our times and most people don't want to accept the truths
that he tells.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 2:32 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
Miriam,
I have no answer. I'll need to check, and then I'll let you know what I find
out. I've had remote assistance before, and I assumed that it was a feature of
any computer. But my understanding often comes out of left field, and has no
relation to the world we live in.
And by the way, thanks for the Chris Hedges article. He hits so many points
squarely on the head. I'm saving it in order to use the many points he lists.
But even so, we need to find ways of generating discussions.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/20/20, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Also, if the blind folks who help you with your computer are not
close enough to visit your home, they need to be able to help you remotely.
Jaws has a program which makes that very easy. The question is, does
NVDA? The only reason I was able to get this new computer and to be
able to sort of use it, is that Londa, who lives in Pennsylvania,
bought it for me, copied everything I would need from my windows 7
to it remotely, sent it to me, and then fixed stuff on it remotely,
when it arrived. Freedom Scientific has monopolized the market
because everyone who teaches tech to blind people, uses Jaws, and
they've developed all these programs to cover all kinds of
situations. I'd love to use a simple program that I don't have to pay for, but
then I couldn't get the help I need.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 1:18 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
Miriam,
My lap top has NVDA, and I used it, two years ago. Voice was fine,
worked as well as JAWS, but then I got busy and forgot how to use it.
A friend who teaches computers said he'd "walk me through it". But
as far as keeping current, I can't answer. There's a great deal of
information on the internet, and Dean Martineau has also told me I
can call on him for help. But I am slow to abandon JAWS. My public
story is that I am being cautious, but I think it's called Old Age.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/20/20, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl,
How did you learn how to use NVDA? Does it have a feature so that
someone can help you remotely if something goes wrong and you need
help from a blind tech person to fix it? Does it stay current with
all the websites from which we get articles?
Why can't your little chapter have telephone meetings? That's what
all the blind folks did before Zoom. I don't know exactly how it
works, but there's a phone number and a code. It seems like older
folks could manage that.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 12:44 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
Miriam,
I have received several messages which you noted you could not get
posted to the list. I didn't count them, but at least three have
come through. I seem to be having a similar problem, but thought
it was because I'm still using Windows 7, and JAWS 17. I quit
using Mozilla Firefox and use google chrome. Even so, sometimes
spellcheck works and other times it does not.
The same with my email addresses.
Sometimes I enter the first part of an email, and when I hit tab
the address is completed. Other times I am forced to enter the
entire address. I suspect it's long past time for me to upgrade.
But I plan to use NVDA and let JAWS go to the trash bin. I have
paid a lot of money beginning with the
$1,000 initial cost, and the annual upgrades that cost at least a
collective
$1,000 additional money, just to stay current and to do what I was
doing all along. But I can still do my articles for a couple of
publications, and do my email on Blind Democracy, WCB and ACB lists.
I also have a small personal list for our Jefferson County
Council(JCCB) group. That's about all that's keeping us together,
probably until next year. I seem to be the driving force in the
JCCB, holding down both the vice presidency and the secretary office.
Cathy is treasurer. She's sitting on a bit over $3,000 in our
chapter bank account. Withdrawals take two officers signatures.
Right here in our little ten by ten office we have three officers.
If we close down the JCCB, the members vote where to send the
effects of the chapter. If we wait long enough Cathy and I could
well have the most votes.
Under pre-COVID-19 days a cruise would have sounded fine. But
in today's world, especially under the "leadership" of Donald
Trump, we'll probably vote it to our state WCB chapter. Cathy and
I organized this chapter in 1996. I hate to be the one to close it
down, but probably for the safety of our members we need to bring
JCCB to an end, with the assurance that once it becomes safe for
older folks to meet together, we would reactivate the Chapter.
That's number two on my list for today. First I need to draft a
tribute to Berl Colley, one of our most active WCB members, who
died earlier this year.
I've been selected to write the tribute since I am one of the
last "old timers" who knew Berl. Sort of scary.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/19/20, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yesterday and today, I have been unable to send certain articles
to this list. I can't forward the email in which they appear, nor
can I copy the articles to a new email and send them. I've sent
copies to Roger and Carl, but I don't know if they've received
them. I don't know if the problem is that my provider won't allow
the emails to leave because it thinks they contain viruses or
whether it's Free Lists that won't accept them. It would be
helpful if Roger would communicate with me about this issue and
tell me if he's received the articles that I sent privately. If he
has, then we know it's Free Lists that won't accept them. If he
hasn't, then it must be my provider that won't send them.
Miriam
