I didn't say that a URL is or can be copyrighted. It is no more
copyrighted than a footnote in a book. However, the footnote attributes
a quotation or the source of information found in the text. Similarly a
URL gives the source of an article that has been posted. That is, it is
an attribution. In the form of a link you can click on that link and go
right to the source. That protects against charges of plagiarism. If the
posted article was being provided in exchange for money, though, that
attribution would not protect against copyright violation claims. We are
assuming that posting a single article for information purposes counts
as fair use. In the case of most of the articles posted on this list it
is probably the case that the authors or publishers would want it
circulated anyway. But even if you want your article to be circulated
you are still likely to want it to be properly attributed. That is why
it is best to include a link back to the article when posting.
_____
Robert G. Ingersoll
“Give me the storm and tempest of thought and action, rather than the dead calm
of ignorance and faith! Banish me from Eden when you will; but first let me eat
of the fruit of the tree of knowledge!”
― Robert G. Ingersoll, The Works Of Robert G. Ingersoll, Vol. Iii
On 10/21/2020 8:30 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:
Roger, a URL to an article (or a URL to anything for that matter) cannot be
copyrighted. It is OK to post the link to an article, but not the article
itself. You're correct it is unlikely that Miriam will ever receive a cease and
desist order but Freelists has some AI in it which flags lists that repeatedly
violate its policies on copyright infringement and the list itself may get
bagged.
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 10:42 PM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
You should send a link along with the article in any case. Technically copying
an article and sending it around is a copyright violation. I think it is
unlikely that you will get into trouble by sending them to this puny little
list, but it is better to be safe than sorry. A link back to the article is
considered to be attribution.
_____
Robert G. Ingersoll
“Give me the storm and tempest of thought and action, rather than the dead calm
of ignorance and faith! Banish me from Eden when you will; but first let me eat
of the fruit of the tree of knowledge!”
― Robert G. Ingersoll, The Works Of Robert G. Ingersoll, Vol. Iii
On 10/20/2020 2:41 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
I was afraid I couldn't send the actual article which is why I also sent the
link as Penny suggested. But amazingly, the article went through intact. Chris
Hedges is the sage of our times and most people don't want to accept the truths
that he tells.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 2:32 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
Miriam,
I have no answer. I'll need to check, and then I'll let you know what I find
out. I've had remote assistance before, and I assumed that it was a feature of
any computer. But my understanding often comes out of left field, and has no
relation to the world we live in.
And by the way, thanks for the Chris Hedges article. He hits so many points
squarely on the head. I'm saving it in order to use the many points he lists.
But even so, we need to find ways of generating discussions.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/20/20, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Also, if the blind folks who help you with your computer are not
close enough to visit your home, they need to be able to help you remotely.
Jaws has a program which makes that very easy. The question is, does
NVDA? The only reason I was able to get this new computer and to be
able to sort of use it, is that Londa, who lives in Pennsylvania,
bought it for me, copied everything I would need from my windows 7 to
it remotely, sent it to me, and then fixed stuff on it remotely, when
it arrived. Freedom Scientific has monopolized the market because
everyone who teaches tech to blind people, uses Jaws, and they've
developed all these programs to cover all kinds of situations. I'd
love to use a simple program that I don't have to pay for, but then I couldn't
get the help I need.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 1:18 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
Miriam,
My lap top has NVDA, and I used it, two years ago. Voice was fine,
worked as well as JAWS, but then I got busy and forgot how to use it.
A friend who teaches computers said he'd "walk me through it". But
as far as keeping current, I can't answer. There's a great deal of
information on the internet, and Dean Martineau has also told me I
can call on him for help. But I am slow to abandon JAWS. My public
story is that I am being cautious, but I think it's called Old Age.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/20/20, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl,
How did you learn how to use NVDA? Does it have a feature so that
someone can help you remotely if something goes wrong and you need
help from a blind tech person to fix it? Does it stay current with
all the websites from which we get articles?
Why can't your little chapter have telephone meetings? That's what
all the blind folks did before Zoom. I don't know exactly how it
works, but there's a phone number and a code. It seems like older
folks could manage that.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 12:44 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: repeating problem
Miriam,
I have received several messages which you noted you could not get
posted to the list. I didn't count them, but at least three have
come through. I seem to be having a similar problem, but thought it
was because I'm still using Windows 7, and JAWS 17. I quit using
Mozilla Firefox and use google chrome. Even so, sometimes
spellcheck works and other times it does not.
The same with my email addresses.
Sometimes I enter the first part of an email, and when I hit tab the
address is completed. Other times I am forced to enter the entire
address. I suspect it's long past time for me to upgrade. But I
plan to use NVDA and let JAWS go to the trash bin. I have paid a
lot of money beginning with the
$1,000 initial cost, and the annual upgrades that cost at least a
collective
$1,000 additional money, just to stay current and to do what I was
doing all along. But I can still do my articles for a couple of
publications, and do my email on Blind Democracy, WCB and ACB lists.
I also have a small personal list for our Jefferson County
Council(JCCB) group. That's about all that's keeping us together,
probably until next year. I seem to be the driving force in the
JCCB, holding down both the vice presidency and the secretary office.
Cathy is treasurer. She's sitting on a bit over $3,000 in our
chapter bank account. Withdrawals take two officers signatures.
Right here in our little ten by ten office we have three officers.
If we close down the JCCB, the members vote where to send the
effects of the chapter. If we wait long enough Cathy and I could
well have the most votes.
Under pre-COVID-19 days a cruise would have sounded fine. But in
today's world, especially under the "leadership" of Donald Trump,
we'll probably vote it to our state WCB chapter. Cathy and I
organized this chapter in 1996. I hate to be the one to close it
down, but probably for the safety of our members we need to bring
JCCB to an end, with the assurance that once it becomes safe for
older folks to meet together, we would reactivate the Chapter.
That's number two on my list for today. First I need to draft a
tribute to Berl Colley, one of our most active WCB members, who died
earlier this year.
I've been selected to write the tribute since I am one of the last
"old timers" who knew Berl. Sort of scary.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/19/20, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yesterday and today, I have been unable to send certain articles to
this list. I can't forward the email in which they appear, nor can
I copy the articles to a new email and send them. I've sent copies
to Roger and Carl, but I don't know if they've received them. I
don't know if the problem is that my provider won't allow the
emails to leave because it thinks they contain viruses or whether
it's Free Lists that won't accept them. It would be helpful if
Roger would communicate with me about this issue and tell me if
he's received the articles that I sent privately. If he has, then
we know it's Free Lists that won't accept them. If he hasn't, then
it must be my provider that won't send them.
Miriam
