[blind-democracy] Re: commentary and comments on voting Green

  • From: Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:26:06 +0000

This article is spot on and is what I have been trying to say but it does it 
much better.
Frank

From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman Humel
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 1:01 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] commentary and comments on voting Green

One of the commenters makes a good point, that in many other countries, a 
collation is possible between two parties, but not in the US.


Green Party, White Privilege
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 / Jul. 27, 2016 1am EST

This might be a great year for the Green Party, which some polls are predicting 
could score a record-shattering five percent or more of the popular vote in the 
upcoming presidential election. Hillary Clinton is a tool of Wall Street and 
corporate interests such as Wal Mart, on whose board she once served. And 
Donald Trump, of course, is a fascist. The Libertarians want to do away with 
environmental and labor protections and open the door further for corporate 
pillage. This leaves opportunity for a strong Green Party run with the 
comparatively benign Jill Stein, who wants to grab the crown off Bernie 
Sanders's head and hijack the movement his candidacy created.

The Green theme is generally the same as it was when I was an elector for Ralph 
Nader 16 years ago-vote "your hopes, not your fears," only now it's "vote your 
conscience." George W. Bush, however, despite arguments that he was "the worse 
president in history," and the reality that his foreign policy birthed endless 
wars and ISIS, never posed the level of threat that Trump presents. Trump is a 
bona fide fascist who assembled a following based on a cult of personality. 
Delegates at his Republican Convention, the whitest GOP soiree in over a 
century, regularly chanted for his political opponent to be jailed, presumably 
after his coronation. One campaign insider called for her execution.

Trump himself scapegoated immigrants, incorrectly blaming them for a rising 
tide of crime in a nation where the crime stats have been dropping for three 
decades, partially due to the influence of immigrant communities. His racist 
followers cheered wildly as he called for rounding up and deporting as many as 
11 million undocumented immigrants, including many Americans who came here as 
small children. Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio took time out from defending himself 
against federal civil rights charges to address a cheering convention, 
incorrectly claiming that "terrorists" are coming over from Mexico and "causing 
massive destruction and mayhem."

Convention delegates cheered when they heard that a Baltimore police officer 
charged with the murder of Freddie Gray was acquitted. They cheered when Texas 
Governor Rick Perry talked about his state's propensity for executing its 
citizens, in a state where, the New York Times reports, prosecutors are 
significantly more likely to seek the death penalty for blacks than whites. 
Over the course of the campaign Trump regularly mined cheers from his almost 
all-white crowds with random attacks against the Black Lives Matter movement, 
upon which he cast direct threats.

The bottom line is that the risks of a fascist Trump presidency are 
significantly higher for people of color than for white folks. This is why he 
is polling near zero in black communities across the country while earning 
glowing praise from former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke, who, after 
Trump's convention speech, tweeted that he "[c]ouldn't have said it better." A 
Trump presidency will accelerate the militarization of police while threatening 
the civil rights movements that have successfully called attention to racist 
profiling.

Most frightening is the Trump campaign's success in borrowing a script from 
1930s Europe and using his ever-present media access to bloviate to reality 
television audiences, playing to their innermost fears and ignorance-based 
racism, stoking the ugliest tendencies in American culture, and, according to 
recent polling, capturing the allegiance of a plurality of white male voters in 
many states.

Against this backdrop, the Green Party, which has no history of winning 
significant representation in any statehouse or holding a congressional seat, 
wants us to follow our conscience and cast a vote for Jill Stein.

Let's get one thing straight. This is not a democracy. We do not have a 
parliamentary system. The game is rigged in favor of two ruling parties. If we 
are going to have any progressive change, this revolution has to take place 
within the Democratic Party. Bernie Sanders demonstrated that this is indeed 
possible, and he brought us within reach of accomplishing it. With the 
exception of a few local races, the Greens are locked out of the game. I am not 
proud of being a registered Democrat, but I want to have a voice where there is 
a possibility to enact progressive reform.

As high as the stakes are for white folks, they are much higher for people of 
color in this election. Voting your conscience is a "me" move. It might make 
you feel better. If Hillary Clinton wins and sells out to Wall Street, you can 
show us your clean hands. But it's also a move that's soaked in privilege-a 
move by people who don't have to think about the threats a Trump government 
will specifically present to them, their families, and their communities as 
people of color.

My hands will be dirty after this election, but hopefully they will still be 
able to lift a sign in protest of whatever a President Clinton proposes.

________________________________

Dr. Michael I. Niman is a professor of journalism and media studies at Buffalo 
State College. His previous columns are archived at 
www.mediastudy.com<http://www.mediastudy.com/> and are available globally 
through syndication.

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Yes, voting your conscience is a 'me move'. It is for everyone - people of 
color, whites, the poor, the middle class, the rich, etc. It should be. When I 
vote, I am voting for the person/party who I think will best meet the needs of 
my family and myself. I would hope everyone would do that. I appreciate your 
viewpoint, but I am getting tired of being exhorted to vote for Hillary Clinton 
just because she is good for some demographics and 'better than the other 
choice'. As far as I can tell, my choice right now is between a mob queen and a 
racist T.V. personality. Not great. Neither has an agenda that really works for 
my family. I refuse to feel bad for voting 3rd party. The Demoncrats need to 
hear loud and clear that regular people really are not as stupid as they assume 
we are.
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Insofar as Mike's point about the Greens and white privilege are concerned, 
well done. However, the bulk of the article revolves around identity politics, 
whether black or white. Missing from the discussion in my view is the fact that 
fascism breaks the back of unions and of all progressive forces, large 
proportions of which are also comprised of white folks as well as people of 
color. Finally, I would add that labor represents the strongest bulwark against 
fascism. It must have a signal role in the transformation of the Democratic 
Party.
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Yea Greens have white priviledge while the Democrats fought against the 
prohibition of Slavery, and put the Native Americans on the Trail of Tears. Now 
let's talk about current local Democrats. Mayor Brown allows the BMHA to target 
minorities. The common Council members, even the minority members refuse to try 
to lower arrests on minorities and even call out whites who talk about the 
disproportion of arrests on minorities. Gov Cuomo cuts disabled communities 
services and programs. He's targeting schools in minority communities. The 
Clintons defended their 1994 Crime bill which lead to mass incarceration of 
minorities. But yea, the Greens are white priviloedge. Take your race baiting 
else where you corporate sellout
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How many underprivileged brown people died at Hillary's warhawking hands? How 
many more will?
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The Green Party, much as I agree with their purpose, gave us Bush instead of Al 
Gore! Where other countries have coalitions, our two party system doesn't work 
that way. Bush instead of Al Gore has put our country, and our environment, in 
the dumpster.
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Well, our country is not in the dumpster, but the assault on the environment 
continues unabated. Saying our country is in the dumpster is a little bit too 
trumpy.
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"comparatively benign Jill Stein, who wants to grab the crown off Bernie 
Sanders's head and hijack the movement his candidacy created"
False
Please remember the Occupy movement was just 5 years ago. The solutions that 
Sanders packaged together as a progressive platform have been popularly 
supported for years. The movement comes from the people and will go where the 
people see a chance to change this corrupt system.
"This is not a democracy. We do not have a parliamentary system. The game is 
rigged in favor of two ruling parties. If we are going to have any progressive 
change, this revoluti...See 
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Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail: '72 and drank in Hunter S Thompson's 
savage denunciation of lesser-evil voting:

"How many more of these goddam elections are we going to have to write off as 
lame but 'regrettably necessary' holding actions? And how many more of these 
stinking double-downer sideshows will we have to go through before we can get 
ourselves straight enough to put together some kind of national election that 
will give me at least the 20 million people I tend to agree with a chance to 
vote for something, instead of always being faced with that old familiar choice 
between the lesser of two evils? I understand, along with a lot of other 
people, that the big thing, this year, is Beating Nixon. But that was also the 
big thing, as I recall, twelve years ago in 1960-and as far as I can tell, 
we've gone from bad to worse to rotten since then, and the outlook is for more 
of the same."
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As bad as things may be for you they will be worse for some other group if we 
give up and give in. Is that your argument? How well off where the slaves after 
the Civil War do you think? Think they walked into paid labor immediately? So 
for many the argument may have gone this way "Sure the slaves suffer. They will 
suffer even more if they are set free. At least this way they have food and 
shelter." Thank goodness that did not stop people from fighting for what is 
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The idea that voting for a pro-corporate old white person and then protesting 
impotently after they're elected is anything but the height of white liberal 
privilege is laughable.
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"If we are going to have any progressive change, this revolution has to take 
place within the Democratic Party. Bernie Sanders demonstrated that this is 
indeed possible, and he brought us within reach of accomplishing it."

You neglect to mention that he was a Democrat for exactly 14 months. He left 
the party before HRC could make her acceptance speech. THAT's how likely 
revolution is going to come from inside the Democratic party.
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And if I hear ONE MORE PERSON bring up W/Gore/Nader, I'm going to f^#!ing lose 
my sh!+.

Dems don't want a fascist in office? FIELD A STRONGER CANDIDATE.
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A key point this article ignores is that the election is going to be decided in 
a handful of battleground states. If you don't live in one, there's no reason 
not to try to push a 3rd party over the 5% number that will open up the same 
federal funding the two major parties enjoy. It is ludicrious to believe your 
state's electoral votes are up for grabs by either party, if you live in states 
like California or Alabama.
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