Very interesting and enlightening, Abdulah. When we look around the
world, at all of the human suffering, for all of the reasons humans
can suffer, it really strains our ability to hope.
Carl Jarvis
On 7/2/15, abdulah aga <abdulahhasic@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Regards to all,
Reading this text can not stay with out comment
I must say that I am tired of Palestine, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and other
countries with a population of Islamic countries:
When I say the Islamic state, I think the state where Muslims are in the
majority as well as population.
Now will someone ask why I, as a Muslim man I'm tired of these countries and
these reports?
here's why.
As a man who has been through war and military action with all the horrors
that are normal and abnormal for the human mind could heppen'd.
I must say that these reports and listen to read since I.m born mortar
apparently all the environments of these countries.
I come from the state of Bosnia is a small country that was part of the
former state of Yugoslavia,
Bosnia had around 4 million inhabitants before the war:
of the fourth million people were
approximately 2 million Muslims.
when are war started in this state was the goal to destroy exterminate,
expel or conquer the rest of the Muslim population
So reduce them to conditions worse than they have today in Palestine by
israela.
At that time we had no experienced politicians, arms almost non, and almost
nobody knew how the world lobbying work or for any kind of propaganda:
we had the Muslim population of Bosnia, didn't have any finantional hellp,
that we could help in the case of buying weapons or any kind of propaganda,
because as you know whatever you try without money you are dead.
So after all of this that I wrote shortly Serbia with all of the former
Yugoslav People's Army:
therefore Armi which remained in Serbia with their military equipment
When Yugoslavia disintegrated struck At that time already a sovereign state
of Bosnia and Herzegovina: (unarmed people, people without a chance to
resist the military power the sixth in the world after weapons and military
equipment).
After all this, a brief description of what is left but to take destiny into
their own hands then as with out allmost any vepen mortar not without any
resorsis fight but literally fight for life and death,
So survive or disappear
third choice we had.
Here I must say Serbia had everything that Israel is only that Serbia did
not have a nuclear bomb, as opposed to Israel
Then Serbia had around 12 million people: What can you tell yourself what is
the balance of power was only in human resources therefore 12 million
against the unarmed population of 2 million.
After a mighty struggle against far more powerful of enemies though we won
some sort of freedom we fought for the country for which we have fought for,
a state in which there are still problems, and at any moment threatens to
war retracing but I think this will not happen because the Serbs have
learned a lesson from the last war, it is the number 1 and number 2 Muslims
are now far better equipped militarily and as for lobbying and propaganda.
In all the countries that I enumerated from the so-called Arab population
problems are the following:
Problem 1
They did not unitet, problem2 they are divided into various sects and
political groups religen's
Number3 and are not ready to go all the way.
I did not mention their main problem and that is that the and most of them
Israel uses them for spies, then light the commodity industry:
that is main problems of these people.
Only Palestine as a state with two political groups that are ideologically
distant from each other worse than the USA and Russia in terms of everything
including religion Islam, are among the Sunnis and others are fed up and you
see yourself where the problems are and why I am saying all this.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Jarvis
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 12:04 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] ‘We are doing you people a
favor by allowing you to be seated here,’ Netanyahu deputy tells
Palestinians in Knesset
Israel's Yaron Mazuz, deputy interior minister embodies all of the
reasons I could never seriously enter politics. The thought of having
to nod, shake hands, make nice talk and say good things about so many
of the world's leaders, turns my stomach. While I hope I'd never go
so far as to throw up on one of them, as former president George Bush
I, did in Japan, it would take all I have to keep my big mouth shut.
Still, such a life would keep me very, very clean. I'd being changing
clothes and taking showers several times each day.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/27/15, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
‘We are doing you people a favor by allowing you to be seated here,’
Netanyahu deputy tells Palestinians in Knesset
Middle East
Roland Nikles on June 25, 2015 31 Comments
Yaron Mazuz, deputy interior minister of Israel
Upon expiration of the British-mandate Israel used force and intimidation
to
expand the territory allotted to a Jewish state by the United Nations,
and
to decrease the Arab population living there. Since then Israel has
practiced a discriminatory immigration policy that encourages Jewish
immigration to Israel and that makes it very difficult for anyone else to
move to Israel. This policy is embodied in the Israeli Law of Return
which
grants every Jew and their spouse (Jewish or not) citizenship immediately
upon moving to Israel; and in a Citizenship Law that makes it very
difficult
for anyone else to obtain residency or citizenship status in
Israel—especially Palestinians who lived there in 1948 but were driven
out
by war.
In 2003, in the midst of the second Intifada, Israel amended its
Citizenship
and Entry into Israel Law to preclude family unification between Israeli
citizens and their West Bank or Gaza spouse (the anti-family-unification
law). Under this law, an Israeli citizen or resident who falls in love
with
a Palestinian from Gaza or the West Bank cannot marry and live with this
person in Israel. At the same time, an Israeli resident who opts to live
with his or her Palestinian spouse elsewhere—because the state won’t
allow
them to live in Israel—risks that their residency status will be revoked.
The Israeli rights of a child from such a union are precarious and at
risk.
In 2006 the Israeli Supreme Court denied a petition challenging the law,
but
suggested that it was in violation of the Basic Law (the closest thing
Israel has to a constitution). In response the Knesset expanded the reach
of
the law to also preclude family unification for spouses hailing from
Iran,
Syria, Lebanon, and other (unspecified) countries adverse to Israel, and
made minor concessions for short-term renewable family unification
permits
for older couples, but otherwise reaffirmed the law. In 2012 the Supreme
Court upheld this discriminatory law as amended.
The anti-family-unification law was first introduced as an emergency
measure, subject to annual renewal. But a decade later this has nothing
to
do with security; it seems very much like a permanent feature of Israeli
law. The Knesset once again renewed the law on June 15, 2015, although
the
Zionist Union (the formal opposition) was able to extract a commitment
that
the law would be looked at more closely at the next renewal.
On Wednesday, June 24, 2015, the Knesset held a “debate” on a request by
the
Joint Arab list (13 MK’s headed by Ayman Odeh) to revoke the
anti-family-unification provision in the Citizenship Law. The result was
not
pretty.
From Haaretz:
During the debate, Deputy Interior Minister Yaron Mazuz of Likud … called
on
Arab lawmakers to return their Israeli identity cards. Addressing the
Arab
Joint List’s MK Haneen Zoabi, Mazuz said: “Mrs. [Haneen] Zoabi, you are
the
first who ought to return your ID. We are doing you people a favor by
even
allowing you to be seated here – terrorists won’t be allowed to sit here.
You people are in a democratic state, so respect the state. Whoever acts
against the State of Israel using terror – has no right to be here. It’s
unthinkable that from this abode, people will go out and participate in
terror flotillas against the State of Israel.”
The deputy interior minister is referring to Hanan Zoabi’s participation
five years ago as a passenger on the MV Mavi Marmara, a ferry boat that
was
part of a “freedom flotilla” which attempted to breach Israel’s blockade
of
Gaza in order to deliver humanitarian aid. Israeli forces killed nine
activists in a raid on the flotilla. MK Zoabi was never charged with any
wrongdoing.
Here is what this all looks like [Hebrew only, but body language tells
all].
Netanyahu seems amused. He took to the stand to defend his deputy
minister.
He’ll undoubtedly characterize this as an example of Israel’s “robust”
democracy. But the government’s response to the Joint Arab List’s request
(“We are doing you people a favor by even allowing you to be seated
here”)
appears less like an example of a lovable rollicking democracy than an
ethnocratic state in a destructive nationalist spiral. Haaretz says that
Touma Souliman of the Arab List later “took to the podium and accused
Netanyahu of being an accomplice to Mazuz’s incitement.”
The deputy minister’s threat that “your residency status will be revoked”
is
not so idle when you keep in mind that paragraph 11 of the Citizenship
law
states: “…(b) The Minister of the Interior may terminate the Israel
nationality of a person who has done an act constituting a breach of
allegiance to the State of Israel.” Thus far, the Palestinian members of
Knesset are not cowed. The Supreme Court has repeatedly backed Zoabi
against
attempts by representatives of the “Jewish state” to disqualify her from
office. It seems that, for now, the Palestinian members of the Knesset
can
have their say, even if their efforts for a more just society are
ridiculed
and are met with derision and threats.
No defender of Israel should be secure in a belief that this “democracy”
is
in a healthy state.
UPDATE: I should mention that, as of this writing, there is a new
“freedom
flotilla” headed for Gaza. Member of Knesset Basel Ghattas (Joint Arab
List) is planning to join in Athens. He wrote a letter to Prime Minister
Netanyahu, stating in part: “The civilian flotilla aimed at breaking the
siege is peaceful. Its goal is drawing international public attention to
the
state of the 1.8 million Palestinians living in jail-like conditions as a
result of the blockade imposed by Israel – which is a form of collective
punishment and constitutes an infringement on humanitarian law.”
Haaretz reports that: the Knesset House Committee is recommending to the
Ethics Committee that it suspend Ghattas from the day he joins the
flotilla
and it will consider withdrawing his rights.
In the meantime, on Sunday, the Knesset is scheduled to vote on a bill
that
would require candidates for Knesset to prove that they have never made
public expressions of support for “illegal activity against the State of
Israel,” which is aimed directly at actions like Zoabi’s participation in
the “freedom flotilla” in 2010, and Ghattas’ participation in the current
“freedom flotilla.”
This post first appeared on Roland Nikles’s blog yesterday.
About Roland Nikles
Roland Nikles is a Bay Area writer and attorney. He blogs here:
rolandnikles.blogspot.com.
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Netanyahu deputy tells Palestinians in Knesset
Middle East
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Yaron Mazuz, deputy interior minister of Israel
Upon expiration of the British-mandate Israel used force and intimidation
to
expand the territory allotted to a Jewish state by the United Nations,
and
to decrease the Arab population living there. Since then Israel has
practiced a discriminatory immigration policy that encourages Jewish
immigration to Israel and that makes it very difficult for anyone else to
move to Israel. This policy is embodied in the Israeli Law of Return
which
grants every Jew and their spouse (Jewish or not) citizenship immediately
upon moving to Israel; and in a Citizenship Law that makes it very
difficult
for anyone else to obtain residency or citizenship status in
Israel—especially Palestinians who lived there in 1948 but were driven
out
by war.
In 2003, in the midst of the second Intifada, Israel amended its
Citizenship
and Entry into Israel Law to preclude family unification between Israeli
citizens and their West Bank or Gaza spouse (the anti-family-unification
law). Under this law, an Israeli citizen or resident who falls in love
with
a Palestinian from Gaza or the West Bank cannot marry and live with this
person in Israel. At the same time, an Israeli resident who opts to live
with his or her Palestinian spouse elsewhere—because the state won’t
allow
them to live in Israel—risks that their residency status will be revoked.
The Israeli rights of a child from such a union are precarious and at
risk.
In 2006 the Israeli Supreme Court denied a petition challenging the law,
but
suggested that it was in violation of the Basic Law (the closest thing
Israel has to a constitution). In response the Knesset expanded the reach
of
the law to also preclude family unification for spouses hailing from
Iran,
Syria, Lebanon, and other (unspecified) countries adverse to Israel, and
made minor concessions for short-term renewable family unification
permits
for older couples, but otherwise reaffirmed the law. In 2012 the Supreme
Court upheld this discriminatory law as amended.
The anti-family-unification law was first introduced as an emergency
measure, subject to annual renewal. But a decade later this has nothing
to
do with security; it seems very much like a permanent feature of Israeli
law. The Knesset once again renewed the law on June 15, 2015, although
the
Zionist Union (the formal opposition) was able to extract a commitment
that
the law would be looked at more closely at the next renewal.
On Wednesday, June 24, 2015, the Knesset held a “debate” on a request by
the
Joint Arab list (13 MK’s headed by Ayman Odeh) to revoke the
anti-family-unification provision in the Citizenship Law. The result was
not
pretty.
From Haaretz:
During the debate, Deputy Interior Minister Yaron Mazuz of Likud … called
on
Arab lawmakers to return their Israeli identity cards. Addressing the
Arab
Joint List’s MK Haneen Zoabi, Mazuz said: “Mrs. [Haneen] Zoabi, you are
the
first who ought to return your ID. We are doing you people a favor by
even
allowing you to be seated here – terrorists won’t be allowed to sit here.
You people are in a democratic state, so respect the state. Whoever acts
against the State of Israel using terror – has no right to be here. It’s
unthinkable that from this abode, people will go out and participate in
terror flotillas against the State of Israel.”
The deputy interior minister is referring to Hanan Zoabi’s participation
five years ago as a passenger on the MV Mavi Marmara, a ferry boat that
was
part of a “freedom flotilla” which attempted to breach Israel’s blockade
of
Gaza in order to deliver humanitarian aid. Israeli forces killed nine
activists in a raid on the flotilla. MK Zoabi was never charged with any
wrongdoing.
Here is what this all looks like [Hebrew only, but body language tells
all].
Netanyahu seems amused. He took to the stand to defend his deputy
minister.
He’ll undoubtedly characterize this as an example of Israel’s “robust”
democracy. But the government’s response to the Joint Arab List’s request
(“We are doing you people a favor by even allowing you to be seated
here”)
appears less like an example of a lovable rollicking democracy than an
ethnocratic state in a destructive nationalist spiral. Haaretz says that
Touma Souliman of the Arab List later “took to the podium and accused
Netanyahu of being an accomplice to Mazuz’s incitement.”
The deputy minister’s threat that “your residency status will be revoked”
is
not so idle when you keep in mind that paragraph 11 of the Citizenship
law
states: “…(b) The Minister of the Interior may terminate the Israel
nationality of a person who has done an act constituting a breach of
allegiance to the State of Israel.” Thus far, the Palestinian members of
Knesset are not cowed. The Supreme Court has repeatedly backed Zoabi
against
attempts by representatives of the “Jewish state” to disqualify her from
office. It seems that, for now, the Palestinian members of the Knesset
can
have their say, even if their efforts for a more just society are
ridiculed
and are met with derision and threats.
No defender of Israel should be secure in a belief that this “democracy”
is
in a healthy state.
UPDATE: I should mention that, as of this writing, there is a new
“freedom
flotilla” headed for Gaza. Member of Knesset Basel Ghattas (Joint Arab
List)
is planning to join in Athens. He wrote a letter to Prime Minister
Netanyahu, stating in part: “The civilian flotilla aimed at breaking the
siege is peaceful. Its goal is drawing international public attention to
the
state of the 1.8 million Palestinians living in jail-like conditions as a
result of the blockade imposed by Israel – which is a form of collective
punishment and constitutes an infringement on humanitarian law.”
Haaretz reports that: the Knesset House Committee is recommending to the
Ethics Committee that it suspend Ghattas from the day he joins the
flotilla
and it will consider withdrawing his rights.
In the meantime, on Sunday, the Knesset is scheduled to vote on a bill
that
would require candidates for Knesset to prove that they have never made
public expressions of support for “illegal activity against the State of
Israel,” which is aimed directly at actions like Zoabi’s participation in
the “freedom flotilla” in 2010, and Ghattas’ participation in the current
“freedom flotilla.”
This post first appeared on Roland Nikles’s blog yesterday.
About Roland Nikles
Roland Nikles is a Bay Area writer and attorney. He blogs here:
rolandnikles.blogspot.com.
